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cenettix

Apr 6, 2010

Oh hell no!

okc1-4u

Apr 6, 2010

Well, things go well, then I'll start reading the Bible daily, and going to church like I should, then like clockwork, something bad will happen. Ive gone through a few "cycles" like this, where Ill go to church, then things will fall apart, and then Ill back off and things will get better. Its weird. Its happened too many times to be coincidental.

 

benzilla1

Apr 6, 2010

I am. I am more of  Homer Simpson than a Ned Flanders, though.

Zimmix

Apr 6, 2010

Did we all have a happy Zombie Jesus day?

Christianity - The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own dad can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

Atl_Pencil

Apr 6, 2010

^^^ Right, and how does that prove anything?

Matt162162

Apr 6, 2010

Christianity - The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own dad can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

Totally makes sense.

Oh and to okc1-4u. So bad things happen when you go to church, and good things happen when you don't? So if this is not the case would it not be logically correct to not go to church since bad things keep happening to you?

Of course I've always been of the mindset someone who truly wants to be religious should not go to sermons and instead spend that time doing something practical like volunteering. I always wondered why an omnipotent all loving being had such ego problems that he needed his peons to praise him at least once a week rather than going out and doing good deeds like he always seems to advocate in all his holy books.

Resume-Rob

Apr 6, 2010

Hear we go again.  I'm Christian.  To those who doubt, take this.

Fact atheism is a religion, it is something one practices.

Fact atheist have faith, faith in science.

Fact atheist have a god, it is whatever is the center of their life.

Fact atheist claim to be all-knowing, ironic isn't it.

Matt162162

Apr 6, 2010

Fact atheism is a religion, it is something one practices.

Fact atheist have faith, faith in science.

Fact atheist have a god, it is whatever is the center of their life.

Fact atheist claim to be all-knowing, ironic isn't it.

Well I didn't want to get started, but hoo-boy here goes.

No. Why I can't deny there are some who tract it fanatically and religiously, the same can be said about anything (sports, gaming, otakus) but the vast majority this does not hold true. I can tell you since I rejected the idea of religion/gods/deities/supernatural/superstition I haven't "practiced" a thing except logical and rationality which is something that is not Atheist exclusive nor derived.

No no no, there is no "faith" in science, perhaps there are some who blindly believe certain theories, but those people are idiots regardless of whatever religious affiliation they do or do not identify with. Science is a body of knowledge derived from empirical data and proof that has been validated and repeated time and time again, there's no faith in the subject. Science is an objective understanding of the world around us in terms that apply to everyone based on the evidence and proof that support it. If the evidence changes than so too does our understanding. Faith is the blind belief in something regardless of any logical, rational, or evidence of it being true or not by very definition. That sir is fact. Faith and science would be an oxymoron by definition alone.

Thirdly that too is an oxymoron. Atheist is again by definition the lack of belief in a god(s) or god like being(s). This is why Buddhists would be identified as an Atheistic religion for the fact they don't have a god or deity like most other religions. A god by definition is pretty much an all powerful being, and last I checked not a single person who identifies as an Atheist claims any belief in any sort of super powerful being. Of course if you change or evaluate the definition of god in a different way than this becomes and even more sketchy area of debate. But fact is last time I checked there wasn't a single Atheist who claimed any being that held traits that are attributed to a god-like being.

Lastly I don't claim to be all knowing, nor do I know anyone out there who does (ok I lie there's quite a few religious zealots I know who claim to know it all, and funny enough many other people who are quite insane mentally as well). Anyone claiming any near level of omniscience must be truly a mad person though, as that claim would be quite easy to prove, after all they would have knowledge of physics and chemistry that are leaps and bounds beyond what any scientist could ever dream of. So I would be quite curious to know where these people you claim of are at, because I've yet to see a single person claim omniscience on any level who was not religious or severely out of their mind to begin with. Many people I know (Atheists and otherwise) well versed in Science however do hold to have a better grasp of reality than those who don't, and I believe your mistaking it for this.

Atl_Pencil

Apr 6, 2010

Fact atheism is a religion, it is something one practices.

Just like playing an instrument or a sport, cooking, and learning a language? Your definition of religion is incorrect. 

Fact atheist have faith, faith in science.

It is completely possible to believe that everything about science is wrong, yet still be an atheist. Also, what is the deal with not using the plural of "atheist"? 

Fact atheist have a god, it is whatever is the center of their life.

Only if you change the meaning of the word "god" to something that is not generally accepted.

Fact atheist claim to be all-knowing, ironic isn't it.

This is a blatant lie. You know that it's a lie because only days ago, I told you that I was an atheist yet I knew that I didn't know everything. Please stop lying.

okc1-4u

Apr 6, 2010

^^^ Its not exactly a scientific study, but there is a correlation between my faith, and weat happens in my life. If there were no God, then these things wouldnt happen with such consistency. For instance, I start going to church, living right, and reading the Bible, and I'll get a ticket, my car will break down, or something else will go wrong, and so I give up, and things get better. Not long ago, I decided to give church ano0ther go, and the same week, my food stamps were cut through no fault of my own. Several things like this have gone on with me over the past year, and I cant logicaly beleive there are that many coincidences. Its gotten to the point where I want to get back into church, and so on, but Im afraid to.

 

@Zimmix. If you were God, and you were going to try to convince people of the fact, would you do something people could do, like put on a shirt, or maybe do a jumping jack? Or would you do something that only a god could do, like, i dunno, raise yourself from the dead, or create something?

 

 

 

 

Resume-Rob

Apr 6, 2010

American-Heritage defines religion #4

"A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion."

Work, gambling, playing games, money, even the pursuit of science  is religious.

 

Unless you have witnessed a man on the moon, etc.  personally then you have faith in science.  Any book that contains words takes faith.  The same arguement atheist use against the Bible.  Science is just a good story. 

 

American-Heritage defines god as #4  "One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god."

 

Is there a God?  Your answer defines whether you claim to be all-knowing.

cenettix

Apr 6, 2010

^ so you believe in a supernatural entity in the sky... not science ? am I right ? Trust in him more than you trust science, and human knowledge..?

 

 

Atl_Pencil

Apr 6, 2010

If there were no God, then these things wouldnt happen with such consistency.

I don't get how you get to "god" from there. I get that you think there's a correlation, even though I find that correlation weak, and I get that you think there's a cause, even though I don't really think that there needs to be one. What I don't get is why you think that cause is related to god. Is it just because you're going to church? 

"A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion."

Work, gambling, playing games, money, even the pursuit of science  is religious.

This is what's called equivocation. You know that this thread is referring to the supernatural meaning of the word, yet you're acting as though any meaning is accurate. You are being intentionally misleading. Further, one doesn't need to pursue atheism with zeal, or with any effort at all, really. You reasoning is broken either way.

Unless you have witnessed a man on the moon, etc.  personally then you have faith in science.  Any book that contains words takes faith.  The same arguement atheist use against the Bible.  Science is just a good story.

This argument hasn't become any more relevant than when I responded to it the first time. 

 

American-Heritage defines god as #4  "One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god."

Equivocating, again.

Is there a God?  Your answer defines whether you claim to be all-knowing.

Only if your answer claims that it is certainly correct. I am an atheist, and I might be wrong about whether or not there is a god.

Resume-Rob

Apr 6, 2010

cenettix,  I believe in both science and God. 

"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind."  Albert Einstein

 

Atl_Pencil

Apr 6, 2010

So... are you retracting your former arguments or what? 

Matt162162

Apr 6, 2010

Atl_pencil hit the points well.

But to answer your question I don't believe in a god of any form. As an intelligent human being though I am open to the possibility that I could be wrong (not just in this but in anything else) but I would need some good logic and evidence to sway my views, as what I do believe in is for good reason and can be validated.

The same question would apply to you as well Rob.

MerAngel2112

Apr 6, 2010

I always wondered why an omnipotent all loving being had such ego problems that he needed his peons to praise him at least once a week rather than going out and doing good deeds like he always seems to advocate in all his holy books.

I dont think the purpose of going to church is actually to PRAISE God in the sense you mean here - certainly God does not NEED praise. To be GOD [as in THE God not a god] I would think He/She would have to be egoless. Since the point of ascension is overcoming your ego - and ascending is becoming more like God. [I know I am getting a little out of the bounds of regular Christianity here but many lightworker/New Age people still consider themselves Christains - I know that the New Thought religion people do] My take on the purpose of going to church every Sunday is that it serves an equivillant purpose of people [Buddhists or Hindus] setting aside time to meditiate or chant. a time to quiet the mind and try and find some inner peace as well as a time to connect with others of your faith as a community. And I have always found that - in Catholic Churches at least - those good deeds and works of service are advocated and emphisized. Charity work is a big part of it. They support sister churches in developing nations, help local poor with food and clothing drives as well as running soup kitchens and shelters and food pantries and so on. Maybe not all Christians focus on this part of things as much as they should but many do.

AndyBurton

Apr 6, 2010

In terms of the psychology of variable-meaning philosophy, what words mean to a Christian determines in some sense of meaning what kind of Christian they are. On internet, at one point some 45% voted D against Iraqi war indicates unpopularity of war, not because credos supported Iraqi war supported by gathered intelligence. Only 17% voted A, 38% voted B or C. This indicates to me that majority A,B,C voters are strong in credo-faith, in not seeing that war as failure of leadership. This could only be expected to be the case in British North America but it IS the case in the 'free-world'.

Atl_Pencil

Apr 6, 2010

wat

JoeAverageSF

Apr 7, 2010

Oh god. This question is total flame bait.

Look, be whatever the fuck you want to be. It's no skin off anyone's ass. You can even wear it in public, though most people will find you off-putting and confrontational. If your kookadook value system goes into public discourse and threatened to infringe upon my life and my rights, I will stand and defend them.

Also, if your brand of belief involves filling your kids' heads with poison, maybe you should think about a new system. Life's too short.

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