Half of all policemen are thieves and half of all policemen are murderers. Does it follow logically that all policemen are criminals?

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Thogar

May 15, 2008

By that token, everyone I meet is a criminal and I'd better assume they're going to cheat, rob and kill me until they prove otherwise.

BMWHRD2

May 15, 2008

Not everyone I meet is a criminal.  I would change your circle of friends. Also, not all criminality is immoral.

My circle of friends does not now, and will not in the future include cops. They fail to meet my moral standards.

Thogar

May 15, 2008

You're missing my point, man.  By assuming that virtually all police are criminals just because some are, you're doing the same as I would be if I assumed that everyone is a criminal until proven otherwise.

atomicturtle

May 15, 2008

By that token, everyone I meet is a criminal and I'd better assume they're going to cheat, rob and kill me until they prove otherwise.

That's actually not a bad thing to assume. I trust my so-called "fellow man" about half as far as I can throw him.

BMWHRD2

May 15, 2008

No, I assume all police are because MOST of them are.  that is the type of person who is attracted to that sort of job.

I'm playing the odds.  and in this case, it isn't even close to a coin toss.  The die is loaded.  With an anchor.

Thogar

May 15, 2008

They have a selection process precisely to weed out people who shouldn't be in the police.  Okay so in some places it may be broken, but that doesn't mean it is everywhere.

If the police in your town are virtually all criminals, you must live in a pretty messed up town.  No offence.

atomicturtle

May 15, 2008

No, I assume all police are because MOST of them are.  that is the type of person who is attracted to that sort of job.

And on top of that, by the very nature of the job they do, ALL COPS are liars and bullies. They use threats, deception and intimidation (and sometimes even force) - because, otherwise, they can't get their job done.

Like I said, there's no such thing as a "good cop." It's an oxymoron.

BMWHRD2

May 15, 2008

"Okay so in some places it may be broken, but that doesn't mean it is everywhere."

That process WORKS.  It keeps the non-criminal elements out of the boys in blue club.

"They use threats, deception and intimidation (and sometimes even force) - because, otherwise, they can't get their job done."

Yep, they are trained on the job how to lie to everyone they deal with, and how to provoke someone into saying something they normally wouldn't.  They are taught how to skate around the edges of a law in order to bypass legal issues.  If there is no fear of being caught, they can be abusive physically, mentally, and verbally.  And they really provide no worthy public service.  They are a drain on society.  Approximately 10% of the force, ANY force, is worth trying to salvage, but 90% of them should be fired yesterday.

atomicturtle

May 15, 2008

Approximately 10% of the force, ANY force, is worth trying to salvage, but 90% of them should be fired yesterday.

100% agreed. Like I mentioned yesterday in the thread about prisons - nobody who wants to be a cop or a prison guard should ever be allowed to be one. Only two kinds of people become cops: A) the kid who was bullied in high school and now wants to take it out on others from behind a tin star; and B) the jock-bully in high school who couldn't hack his sport in college, never went pro, but was too stupid to benefit from (or usually even finish) college - so he decided to be a cop so he could still be the same no-neck "badass" he was and feel tough and important again.

I have zero respect for law enforcement. None.

JMStarling

May 15, 2008

Thogar:

What if they decided to treat civilians in the same way?

Police do exactly that, and only pay lip service to innocent until proven guilty.

JMStarling

May 15, 2008

Thogar:

What if they decided to treat civilians in the same way?

Police do exactly that, and only pay lip service to innocent until proven guilty.

Thogar

May 15, 2008

I've read that american cops are total arseholes, but wow.

BMWHRD2

May 15, 2008

Thorgar, it ain't just American cops.  It's human nature.  give anyone a tin badge, and they suddenly think they are a god and above reproach.

JustBrowsin9

May 15, 2008

Jesus Christ, this thread reeks of stupidity.

hmaon

May 15, 2008

I bet you could throw that baby pretty far, atomicturtle.

atomicturtle

May 15, 2008

Nah, I have to be careful with stuff like that. My shoulders are fucked up. The tendons snap over the bone whenever I throw a football or a baseball or a baby and then they're sore for days afterwards. It's called like, some kind of tendonitis or something. Makes a godawful sound when it happens too.

On the plus side, I have a lifetime scrip for anti-inflammatories and muscle relaxers. So, that's nice.

Thogar

May 15, 2008

Try drop kicking it instead.  Much less trouble for your arms.

BMWHRD2

May 15, 2008

I was thinking an underhanded throw.

woodstockblues

Jun 11, 2008

For the second time, this question is offensive to anyone who has served as an officer on our streets, serving the public, and risking our lives.  As I have.  Oh, and by the way...  One of our local officers was just shot and killed while on duty by a felon fleeing arrest.  I don't think that his family would appreciate this question either.  I will not justify this question by answering it.  This question should be removed from the list, or we should be allowed to skip it.  Thank you.  TTFN.  Glenn.

raindrops_SF

Jun 11, 2008

woodstockblues:

Anecdote is not the singular form of data.  There is much more data supporting the view of police expressed in this thread than data supporting the heroic public servant you portray.

Anecdotally, however, as someone who has been arrested for resisting arrest (no other charges were filed) after they realized they couldn't arrest me for trespassing on my own property, I'm going to have to go with the consensus here.

I have many more anecdotes, trust me... apparently at police academy they teach that people with blue mohawks or long hair can't possibly be law-abiding, property-owning, tax-paying citizens, and they certainly can't live in upscale neighbourhoods.

The authority of the police is derived only from the authority of the citizenry to do EVERY SINGLE THING that the police do.  Police are not above the law, but they are taught that they are.  I, as a citizen, am the law.  No cop is above me.  And, as a side note, until police are subject to the UCMJ, they are civilians, and every time a sworn peace officer refers to me or anyone else as a civilian as though they are not, I will spit on him and hope he tries to do something about it.

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