Half of all policemen are thieves and half of all policemen are murderers. Does it follow logically that all policemen are criminals?

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BMWHRD2

May 15, 2008 9:29am

Not everyone I meet is a criminal.  I would change your circle of friends. Also, not all criminality is immoral.

My circle of friends does not now, and will not in the future include cops. They fail to meet my moral standards.

Thogar

May 15, 2008 10:03am

You're missing my point, man.  By assuming that virtually all police are criminals just because some are, you're doing the same as I would be if I assumed that everyone is a criminal until proven otherwise.

BMWHRD2

May 15, 2008 10:10am

No, I assume all police are because MOST of them are.  that is the type of person who is attracted to that sort of job.

I'm playing the odds.  and in this case, it isn't even close to a coin toss.  The die is loaded.  With an anchor.

Thogar

May 15, 2008 10:14am

They have a selection process precisely to weed out people who shouldn't be in the police.  Okay so in some places it may be broken, but that doesn't mean it is everywhere.

If the police in your town are virtually all criminals, you must live in a pretty messed up town.  No offence.

BMWHRD2

May 15, 2008 10:24am

"Okay so in some places it may be broken, but that doesn't mean it is everywhere."

That process WORKS.  It keeps the non-criminal elements out of the boys in blue club.

"They use threats, deception and intimidation (and sometimes even force) - because, otherwise, they can't get their job done."

Yep, they are trained on the job how to lie to everyone they deal with, and how to provoke someone into saying something they normally wouldn't.  They are taught how to skate around the edges of a law in order to bypass legal issues.  If there is no fear of being caught, they can be abusive physically, mentally, and verbally.  And they really provide no worthy public service.  They are a drain on society.  Approximately 10% of the force, ANY force, is worth trying to salvage, but 90% of them should be fired yesterday.

JMStarling

May 15, 2008 10:58am

Thogar:

What if they decided to treat civilians in the same way?

Police do exactly that, and only pay lip service to innocent until proven guilty.

JMStarling

May 15, 2008 10:58am

Thogar:

What if they decided to treat civilians in the same way?

Police do exactly that, and only pay lip service to innocent until proven guilty.

Thogar

May 15, 2008 1:52pm

I've read that american cops are total arseholes, but wow.

BMWHRD2

May 15, 2008 1:59pm

Thorgar, it ain't just American cops.  It's human nature.  give anyone a tin badge, and they suddenly think they are a god and above reproach.

JustBrowsin9

May 15, 2008 2:01pm

Jesus Christ, this thread reeks of stupidity.

hmaon

May 15, 2008 2:03pm

I bet you could throw that baby pretty far, atomicturtle.

Thogar

May 15, 2008 4:20pm

Try drop kicking it instead.  Much less trouble for your arms.

BMWHRD2

May 15, 2008 4:30pm

I was thinking an underhanded throw.

woodstockblues

Jun 11, 2008 2:03pm

For the second time, this question is offensive to anyone who has served as an officer on our streets, serving the public, and risking our lives.  As I have.  Oh, and by the way...  One of our local officers was just shot and killed while on duty by a felon fleeing arrest.  I don't think that his family would appreciate this question either.  I will not justify this question by answering it.  This question should be removed from the list, or we should be allowed to skip it.  Thank you.  TTFN.  Glenn.

raindrops_SF

Jun 11, 2008 2:45pm

woodstockblues:

Anecdote is not the singular form of data.  There is much more data supporting the view of police expressed in this thread than data supporting the heroic public servant you portray.

Anecdotally, however, as someone who has been arrested for resisting arrest (no other charges were filed) after they realized they couldn't arrest me for trespassing on my own property, I'm going to have to go with the consensus here.

I have many more anecdotes, trust me... apparently at police academy they teach that people with blue mohawks or long hair can't possibly be law-abiding, property-owning, tax-paying citizens, and they certainly can't live in upscale neighbourhoods.

The authority of the police is derived only from the authority of the citizenry to do EVERY SINGLE THING that the police do.  Police are not above the law, but they are taught that they are.  I, as a citizen, am the law.  No cop is above me.  And, as a side note, until police are subject to the UCMJ, they are civilians, and every time a sworn peace officer refers to me or anyone else as a civilian as though they are not, I will spit on him and hope he tries to do something about it.

Confuscius

Jun 11, 2008 2:49pm

Which side of the law would  you like to belong too...im an ex cop

raindrops_SF

Jun 11, 2008 3:01pm

Having encountered many more cops who think that a stick and a gun are all the law they need than those who even bothered to learn the laws they claim to be enforcing, my answer should be self-evident.

Thogar

Jun 11, 2008 3:22pm

Anecdote is not the singular form of data.


...


I have many more anecdotes, trust me...

 

Cough.

raindrops_SF

Jun 11, 2008 3:31pm

Clearly, you don't understand context, as you've plucked those sentences from theirs.

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I have data.  Only been working on the subject of civil rights violations of poor and homeless people for the last 3 years (my partners in this include NLCHP and LCCR).  When the report is finished, I'll be sure to send you a link.

calandale1

Jun 11, 2008 3:33pm

Police and thieves in the streets
Oh yeah!
Scaring the nation with their guns and ammunition
Police and thieves in the street
Oh yeah!
Fighting the nation with their guns and ammunition

From Genesis to Revelation
The next generation will be hear me
From Genesis to Revelation
The next generation will be hear me

And all the crowd comes in day by day
No one stop it in anyway
And all the peacemaker turn war officer
Hear what I say

Police and thieves in the streets
Oh yeah!
Scaring the nation with their guns and ammunition
Police and thieves in the street
Oh yeah!
Fighting the nation with their guns and ammunition

From Genesis to Revelation
The next generation will be hear me

And all the crowd comes in day by day
No one stop it in anyway
All the peacemaker turn war officer
Hear what I say

Police, police, police and thieves, oh yeah
Police, police, police and thieves, oh yeah
From Genesis, oh yeah
Police, police, police and thieves, oh yeah

Scaring, fighting the nation, oh yeah
Shooting, shooting their guns and ammunition, oh yeah

Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah...

Police, police, police and thieves, oh yeah
Police, police, police and thieves, oh yeah
Here come, here come, here come
The station is bombed
Get out, get out, get out you people
If you don't wanna get blown up

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