smashingmayo

Aug 26, 2013

Vegetarians and Vegans sure are hypocrites. How do they know that fruits, vegetables, and grains can't think and feel pain, as well?

La-Ritournelle

Aug 26, 2013

well are you a fruit, a vegetable, or a grain then?

smashingmayo

Aug 26, 2013

nah,.

La-Ritournelle

Aug 26, 2013

basic biology... central nervous system senses and feels stimuli such as pain and only higher order species such as mammals have a central nervous system capable of feeling stimuli

plants do not even have axon with which to send electrical signals such as pain.

on the other hand, meat eaters are quite sickening to me.  they all suffer from something called existential guilt which I have no doubt you are personally very well aquainted with.

you are guilty because deep down, you KNOW that all those animals you are eating do INDEED feel pain.

 

sleep well meathead

smashingmayo

Aug 26, 2013

basic biology is irrelevant, as scientists don't have even a basic understanding of anything.

wolpertinger_

Aug 26, 2013

Mayo, do you sit around all day thinking about new ways to appear to be impossibly ignorant? Because it certainly seems that way.  

Is science some kind of liberal conspiracy theory to you or something? 

smashingmayo

Aug 26, 2013

I am ignorant? The ignorant ones are those who believe plants can't feel pain. As if "science" knows.

wolpertinger_

Aug 26, 2013

Well, for starters, you don't even seem to understand that the entire purpose of a fruit is to be eaten by something. Ditto in some cases for seeds as well (harvester ants help spread seeds for example). Both of these are methods used by plants to propagate their species. As for the plants themselves, they have no central nervous system, which is a requirement for feeling pain as we understand it.

Even if they did feel pain, vegetarians and vegans would still be justified in eating them because 1, they need to survive and 2, they may feel that the pain felt by animals is more pronounced and intense and therefore more in common with our experience of pain. Besides, animal suffering is not the only reason for becoming vegetarian or vegan. 

So yes, you are either ignorant or, (as I suspect) you're a troll and you know that everything you type is stupid. 

Eat_Pray_Die

Aug 27, 2013

Mayo should starve himself to death, or try living off water and vitamin pills. I wonder how much pain he can feel, since where there's no sense there's no feeling.

La-Ritournelle

Aug 27, 2013

here is an excellent recipe for a good hearty vegetarian stew:

1 tablespoon vegetable oil
1 1/2 cups sliced onions
2 garlic cloves, minced
1 cup carrot, cut into 1-inch-thick slices
1 cup celery, cut into 1-inch-thick slices
4 cups mushrooms, cut into quarters
3 medium potatoes, unpeeled, cut into 1-inch chunks
1 (1 lb) can tomato, undrained, coarsely chopped
2 cups cooked kidney beans (12 ounces)
1 (8 ounce) can tomato sauce
1 cup water
1 teaspoon dried thyme
1 bay leaf
salt and pepper
3 tablespoons flour
1/4 cup water
1/4 cup red wine



Eat_Pray_Die

Aug 27, 2013

^ That's not a recipe, that's a list of ingredients. Do you add them in any particular order, or do you dump them in a crock pot all at once and then let them stew all day? TIA

La-Ritournelle

Aug 27, 2013

I'm terribly sorry old chap, but when you've got a list of ingredients for stew, you should probably know how to throw them all together in a pot.

cheers!

Eat_Pray_Die

Aug 27, 2013

I'm terribly sorry old chap, but when you've got a list of ingredients for stew, you should probably know how to throw them all together in a pot.

  1. Not a chap.
  2. So you do just dump them all together in a crock pot.

Lame.

La-Ritournelle

Aug 27, 2013

another good thing about being a vegetarian is that we are usually in a great mood due to the lack of deep existential guilt and we don't normally get all bent out of shape because someone posts a recipe for vegetarian stew on the internet.

 

YAY VEGETaRIAns

_norbu_

Aug 27, 2013

^ I'm not saying that carnivores don't have any guilt, but really that guilt is minimal, since farm animals live long lives and are slaughtered painlessly, and it's not like we order specific animals to be killed for our consumption, like you would at a seafood restaurant where you point to a lobster in a tank and say "that one".

Eat_Pray_Die

Aug 27, 2013

La-Ritournelle

Aug 27, 2013

I think I just lost my stew

 

^^and I disagree most strongly with your comments but you are certainly welcome to them.  have a nice day!

Eat_Pray_Die

Aug 27, 2013

I'm not saying that carnivores don't have any guilt, but really that guilt is minimal, since farm animals live long lives and are slaughtered painlessly, and it's not like we order specific animals to be killed for our consumption, like you would at a seafood restaurant where you point to a lobster in a tank and say "that one".

Very true. Self-righteous vegans only fool themselves with their holier-than-thou rantings about "existential guilt" etc. etc.

I do have to point out that seafood (whether or not it's alive when it's cooked) is still a form of meat. Tradition be damned. And there are restaurants where non-seafood animals are kept alive on an as-needed basis (China has a few of those, for example). I've had rattlesnake before, but it was properly butchered before cooking, not vivisected at the table and cooked up in front of me. And it was in Tennessee, not China thank gawd.

Miss-Music

Aug 27, 2013

I've been a vegetarian for 13 years and I've found way more self righteous vegetarians than meat eaters with extreme guilt. Quit giving our kind a bad name!

trish6912

Aug 27, 2013

swirly has guilt from killing his dog from tryin to make it a vegetarian :/

swirly bein La-whatever

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