raspberry_cloud

Mar 1

the common myth that mobilizes feminim is anchored in the claim women have been historically oppressed; this claim however is often exaggerated, especially when you consider the living conditions our ancestors faced in the past, particularly the widespead violence and the abscence of technologies that make our modern lifestyles as simple and conveniet as they have become; on the contrary, at least in the engilsh speaking world, and more specifically america, there is enough historical evidence to support the balance of power between genders as being appropriate at most times within it's accompanying cultrual and political circumstances;

if this is true, most of the feminist propoganda is chauvanistic sensationalism that provokes a corrupt form of empowerment that is unfounded; believing you are riding the crest of a new wave of important social reform, or that "we are living in the dawn of a new era" is not especially interesting, but rather a common type of political zeal seen as far back as the french revolution, at least, and on a lesser scale, the radical politics of the american 1960's; "the dawn of a new era's" intoxicating optimism in the face of actual difficulties breeds an false sense of empowerment in the form of radical political abandonment with no clear answers or solutions from within the scope of it's actually negitive politics;  the new left did nothing but clear the actually functioning power structure of it's leftist opposition, setting the scene for nixon, then reagansim to become the greastest forces shaping american lives in the late 20th century; enter al qaida we are currenly post 911; 

raspberry_cloud

Mar 1

the greatest thing that ever happened to feminism was the washing machine, the opposite of what you will hear from poorly thought out ranting against white male oppression, it's easier to do your own laundry without housewives, making housework simpler and more degrading, the washing machine is your friend; this another symptom of the noticable trend noted elsewhere that technology is more effective in changing human behavior than politics is;

raspberry_cloud

Mar 1

another is the automobile; before the automobile, aside from passenger trains, movement, travel required stregnth/risk; now movement is accessible to anyone regaurdless;

telephone is another, it made communities safer/911/ made burglary and forced robbery riskier; male protection is less important; security systems, panic alarms; criminal procedures, improved law enforcement, prision systems; this is all the work of males;

restaurants, fast foods, microwavable foods, carry -out dining impossible without refrigeration methods, refrigerated trucks, the general development of transport for foods and supplies reduced the need/importance of the traditional housewive;

 

 

 

raspberry_cloud

Mar 2

this supports the belief that, what most consider a feminist, or women's liberation movment was not the result of political victories by organized groups/activists, but rather a response to ongoing technological development in conjuction with changing needs/values;

as noted elsewhere, the native populations of north america criticized european settlers in interesting ways early on, one of which was their male character subordination to feminine caprice;

raspberry_cloud

Mar 2

well, what im arguing anyway, pretty coherently as far as i can tell, is that men are the ones who have liberated you;

disinfoagent

Mar 2

A lot of feminist women are DTF, so I play along. Let them think what they want to think.

disinfoagent

Mar 2

Most women who are against feminism are Mormons and born agains who don't believe in pre-marital sex.

disinfoagent

Mar 2

I think Men's movements seem kinda lame, because they begin from a position of being insecure about their masculinity. Its like they think Feminists have their balls in a jar or something and they want to take them back!

raspberry_cloud

Mar 2

yeah but you missed the point; im saying men allowed for women's lib, which is contrary to a lot of ranting; and that radical politics clears out the left from actual functioning politics, and helps the right; 

raspberry_cloud

Mar 2

women's liberation is a biproduct of modernization, the point is that these jingoist flappers love to pat themselves on the back, when much of the so called progress was made possible by technology that simplified domestic chores, and that there were always feminists, we just stopped burning them alive at the stake; 

raspberry_cloud

Mar 2

im sorry if this thread puzzles you; i felt the need to express my feelings, due to how often i'll sense this attitude that is so clearly premptive hostility from somebody who is conditioned to be put down for nothing;  it's irritating because in most situations where i am not expecting stress, like social situations, i feel other's insecurities being guarded by a sort of causal aggression; maybe sarcasm is the correct word and it sadens me because i know it is a coward with an inferiority complex who hides behind sarcasm, allowing them to say and do things without being totally sincere while being totally clear in their sarcasm, incase they should be put down for them, and intentionally intimidating others with this overt insincerity to guard their actually weak, wounded little souls; but it is so transparently a symptom of low self esteem that i've been better at avoiding those situations in favor of more variety, and less unnecessary stress

raspberry_cloud

Mar 2

now, if you want me to turn this into mockery, it would be something like: "relax buddy, it's just a party, not grand motherf*cking turismo" i can, but as i said the target would be somebody with a low self esteem and i feel kinda bad for them, so i wouldnt be the type to kick a person while they are down, we could talk about the subtle difference between mercy and pity instead?

raspberry_cloud

Mar 2

i feel like kofi annan wrote a book on how to win friends and influence people, cause it's like scare everybody into liking you by showing them how good you are at butchering other's behind their backs;  then when they see you they kiss your ass and make sure you like them; but it's not the same as really liking somebody, it's just fearing being put in some hot head's cross hairs because you've got a wife and kids to feed somewhere down the line, nobody likes growing up under that much pressure, its peer compulsion to be psychological allies with somebody who will stab you in the back unless you just nod your head to everything they say, being around them always because you are afaid of what they say about you behind your back, so you become best friends with them to remove the possiblity of that happening; it's cutting edge logic but it works out for the most part 

raspberry_cloud

Mar 2

it's like these negitive people adapted a sado-masochistic social logic, where they are so nasty and bitter, but clean and fit with an attractive presentation and you dont like them, but you dont want them to hate you when clearly they hate the world and themselves and anything that contains life; and they are just there, you cant get rid to them but you are tired of their hate, thinking if you could get them to like YOU it would be a significant accomplishment, but i wonder sometimes if its even worth the effort

Swampy65

Mar 2

I'm surprised Sushibitch hasn't chimed in on this. Feminism is her favortite subject.

 

disinfoagent

Mar 2

I guess I don't really follow most of what you say Raspberry. Good luck though. I find Feminism is like Capitalism, lots of people for or against it but nobody can agree on a definition.

raspberry_cloud

Mar 2

women's lib, the statistically measurable increasing percentage of females in the workforce starting in the mid 20th century, and feminism the evolving set of theoretical perspectives that accompanies this trend

raspberry_cloud

Mar 2

i suppose you wonder why such a thing would interest me; it doesnt after the weekend, but mostly since i have difficulty sharing workspace with females, but dont hate females, or even have that much of a problem with them assuming roles traditionally reserved for men, i've had to get more creative in establishing career goals then what has been true in the past; so it's a big, relevant issue; it's also wise to stay out of the debate since, as i claimed above, it isnt really the result of political changes anyway, but rather technological ones;

raspberry_cloud

Mar 2

the other conscern is that, unlike what you would imagine most western nations to be like, americans have individualistic career goals, so rather than seeing myself as having duty to a large ethnic/cultrual group i identify with, when working, my career is understood as strictly self-serving; this causes other motivational problems since, i'll face ethical delemnas at various stages of my career development which clash with my innate sense of sympathy; this often appears as a mark of weakness on my part because success seems to prefer those who are willing to go that extra mile, or else do what nobody else is willing to do to garauntee your own personal advancement, often at the expense of others; the first problem here is that i find selfishness a lesser source of motivation than what appears to be the norm, and just sort of lose all caring about "success/failure" type social status I.D.'s  the second problem is that i'll look at older successful people i know who have had exciting careers, and nobody cares about their career at all except them, but they bore you to death talking about it, etc and it's really embarrassing; the final piece to the puzzle is money, and aside from independence, it doesnt look like money is that healthy of an objective at all, especially since being chained to a 9-5 isnt my idea of independence either; so this from a priveledged white male/satan worshiping asshole who never had his own survival as a motivating factor, i suppose if you are criticized rather than encouraged by your female counterparts, this type of will crisis would be common, as far as i can tell;

MisterCreep

Mar 6

Stop eating my billy goats!

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