deuxetoiles

Feb 16, 2013

It was the ONE mail feature for organizing messages. I used it to flag messages I wanted to keep track of. Now it's gone.

Is there a backdoor url that still works to see the message I smiled on, or are they completely gone?

(I just feel like OKC is getting less and less practical to use. The emphasis on development is really in the wrong place. Who cares about CBD? Give me some Inbox features!)

sfguyyy

Feb 16, 2013

Yep, it's been removed, apparently.

I already sent them my thoughts on that, you may want to consider the same yourself. (Contact link at bottom of page)

 

Is there a backdoor url that still works to see the message I smiled on, or are they completely gone?

 

Apparently so - see my most recent journal post for someone's research on that posted in a comment. (If you can't read journals - some users may not have a link - you can either try the links in my profile or post back here and I will elaborate.)

 

(Edit: here's the URL: link )

deuxetoiles

Feb 16, 2013

Ah! Thank you so much. I will send them a note. 

You're the best. 

fizzlykittens

Feb 17, 2013

That's one feature I never paid attention to.  Just now noticed that it is gone.

DiscoJer

Feb 17, 2013

Someone posted an interesting article in one of the other forums (dating?) with quotes from a dating site employee (not this one) who mentioned that they really don't want people to use the site successfully, as that would mean the people would stop using the website.

The way they constantly remove useful features leads me to believe they've started down that path like the other sites.

sfguyyy

Feb 18, 2013

 

Someone posted an interesting article in one of the other forums (dating?) with quotes from a dating site employee (not this one) who mentioned that they really don't want people to use the site successfully, as that would mean the people would stop using the website.

 

Same kind of childish simpleton conspiracy theories that leads people to comment to me about the IT consulting business that it's better for your clients to have lots of problems, because then you can bill them more money to fix all the problems all the time. Or claiming that Apple makes products that break in a year because then they get to sell more.

The point is: companies get good reputations because they have a good product that works and doesn't break. If every single person that used this site went postal over their lack of success here, do you really think that that would benefit their reputation with the public over time?

No.

The only way that could even theoretically work is if OkCupid was the only web dating site in the world, and no one had the free will to either find an alternative or make one themselves.

 

rubyhat

Feb 18, 2013

Well, except what is the point of disabling the features that made this site unique, and also effective for users? I'm thinking mostly of journals, but the smiles, too. Why make this place more and more generic and more and more useless? It doesn't make sense to me, except perhaps as descent to the lowest common denominator of the competition. But isn't that shooting themselves in the foot? Unless the philosophy is that users are a captive audience and free use is the only selling point that matters and the goal is to keep users unsuccessful so they will continue to use the site (thus, by their numbers, supporting the advertising revenue.) 

 

The only way that could even theoretically work is if OkCupid was the only web dating site in the world, and no one had the free will to either find an alternative or make one themselves.

 

Maybe. But " ... all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. "

Especially when the alternatives are no better, and making one's own is a huge undertaking that still won't achieve the primary goal that brought one to the dating site to begin with - finding a compatible partner.

Meh.

sfguyyy

Feb 19, 2013

 

Well, except what is the point of disabling the features that made this site unique, and also effective for users? I'm thinking mostly of journals, but the smiles, too. Why make this place more and more generic and more and more useless? It doesn't make sense to me, except perhaps as descent to the lowest common denominator of the competition. But isn't that shooting themselves in the foot? 

 

First of all, there is no evidence that I can see that OkCupid has remotely become "generic", "lowest common denominator" or "useless". Far from it. In some regards (ie the mobile apps) OkCupid is actually very much one of the more innovative dating sites around. Even if I also have a mental list of things I'd like to see improved around here. (As I have for most of the 5+ years I've been a user here)

Even before the forums and journals were being hidden and "demoted" by the OkCupid management, the journals in particular were only regularly used by a microscopic percentage of users here. In my experience, people who complain about some company's product in online fora are often massively un-scientific and suffering from grotesque levels of selection-bias when they presume to claim that there's some sort of massive global consensus that some pet feature of theirs is sooooo important to everyone that the elimination of it will cause some sort of global meltdown.

In a nutshell, as much as I also enjoy the group-interactive features of the site like journals and forums, the available evidence suggests that they just weren't very interesting to the vast majority of the people that sign up and use the site, and the site architecture creates some barriers to significantly improving them. Individual users are rarely in a position to grasp the big picture because they don't have access to the data, and the fact that they glance around and see a few stragglers complaining about something in a forum that contains about .0000001% of the site's userbase doesn't really substitute for real knowledge of what actually is or is not popular here.

 

Unless the philosophy is that users are a captive audience and free use is the only selling point that matters and the goal is to keep users unsuccessful so they will continue to use the site (thus, by their numbers, supporting the advertising revenue.) 

 

I already addressed that ridiculous notion in my last comment.

As far as I can tell, the main reasons that things seem somewhat static around here the last couple of years runs something like this:

  1. The management has launched various other social-networking projects for its new parent company that are competing for attention/resources
  2. The technical architecture of OkCupid, which had some distinct advantages when the site was originally designed, has now become a limiting factor in terms of making certain major functional changes, and from what I can tell is either scheduled for or in the midst of being completely re-designed, which will take a while
  3. OkCupid's former CEO has now taken on the role of head of all of the global dating businesses of OkCupid's parent company, which includes dozens of other dating websites and in fact is the largest web dating business in the world. Methinks Sam has his hands full these days.

 

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