amp-here

Aug 22, 2013

http://www.upworthy.com/when-this-guy-explains-why-women-wont-date-him-you-may-roll-your-eyes-but-2-minutes

"As if the only reason to be a good friend or decent fucking human being is if you get something in exchange".

  Agreed...it's not.

  Discuss...

Miss-Music

Aug 22, 2013

I watch a lot of "up-worthy" videos and I'll totally admit I clicked on this the other day and couldn't make it through it. Now that I have - happy I did - so thanks Amp!

 

I've seen a lot of back and forth on the "friend zone" but I think this guy really hits it on the head. Being a good person and a friend regardless of gender is not to get something in return. 

smashingmayo

Aug 22, 2013

Too bad ALL females are only nice if they can get something in return. If they were really nice just to be nice, they would properly play their gender roles.
BiggestCockEver

Aug 22, 2013

Biggest zone ever

German_Film_Star

Aug 22, 2013

Exchanging decency for sex does not work because platonic love and sexual attraction have very different mechanisms in the brain. The latter is based on certain intrinsic hereditary traits that someone(else)has; or appears to have. Money on the other hand, often _can_ buy sex and I'm not just talking about prostitution!

OhnoezItsthatguy

Aug 22, 2013

Money on the other hand, often _can_ buy sex and I'm not just talking about prostitution!

That sentence makes no fucking sense.  Please reiterate.

amp-here

Aug 22, 2013

Money on the other hand, often _can_ buy sex and I'm not just talking about prostitution!

   Sadly many, if not most, relationships end up being whitewashed prostitution.  If you've ever been to a baseball game and looked at couples on camera during the seventh-inning-stretch, you'll notice most of them either show no affection and lean away or even give a ridiculing pat on the back to the significant other.  It works both ways: some men come in with a nasty attitude of "earning" sex through a long enough friendship, and some women can in with an attitude that a man must provide for her to even be worth dating and/or even not demand such things in a relationship, but suddenly start demanding them immediately after marriage or a certain number of years.

German_Film_Star

Aug 22, 2013

That sentence makes no fucking sense.  Please reiterate.

 

Like it or lump it, believe it or not, there are puh-len-ty of women out there who marry men for their money. These women aren't willing to ostensibly exchange a fuck for a fixed amount of cash though! They seek wealthy men for marriage because of the economic aspects of it and a very good example of a woman who did this was the late Anna Nicole Smith.

OhnoezItsthatguy

Aug 22, 2013

So she told you she married that old dude for money?

Sushibitch

Aug 22, 2013

Y'know, no-one ever goes "Wealthy dudes will often seek out pneumatic young women for marriage, for the sexual aspects of it, and a very good example of this is the late Howard J Marshal". I wonder why?

OhnoezItsthatguy

Aug 22, 2013

^Hugh Hefner also.

I wonder why?

Narcissism or something like that.  They would hate to think that men are capable of such low class and deplorable behavior.

It's all teh wimminz fault.

German_Film_Star

Aug 22, 2013

So she told you she married that old dude for money?

 

While she never stated it explicitly(for obvious reasons), it was quite obvious that she was a gold digger. She hardly spent any time around him after their marriage and didn't even live with him. An age difference like that is so extreme that it raises reasonable doubt on whether or not she could really relate to him. Nevertheless, it's highly likely that she did. And what about mail-order brides? There are many, many instances of women from 2nd and 3rd world countries marrying rich western men and divorcing them......sometimes less than 2 years after the wedding because their motives for marriage were path to citizenship and monetary gain.

Stop trying to pretend that women are any less selfish and cunning than men! People use each other. Not everyone does this, but it's far from uncommon.

 

 

Y'know, no-one ever goes "Wealthy dudes will often seek out pneumatic young women for marriage, for the sexual aspects of it, and a very good example of this is the late Howard J Marshal". I wonder why?

 

People say that all the time in my country. Stop acting like she was the victim here. He was old and dying....And who knows if he could still get an erection?

 

amp-here

Aug 22, 2013

Wealthy dudes will often seek out pneumatic young women for marriage

Of course, that's true as well...

   However, there are also countless situations where the man is told he's getting into a relationship not about money, and it's often with a similarly-aged women...and only later is told/showed he essentially signed a financial agreement with her.

   Consider women who doesn't put up a big front not just about "my man must be financially self-supporting"...but also "my man must have a good job"...one who (also) does *not* exclusively, by long term dating habit (meaning boyfriends, not FWB's), gravitate toward men with better paying jobs than their own.

   Take a survey of 10 random women on okcupid and I bet at least 5 will *not* fall into the above "seeking a financial superior"  category.  I wouldn't put it in as extreme terms as Anton did, but dating exclusively up (far as financial class) is still quite common for women.

RandomImpulse

Aug 22, 2013

Y'know, no-one ever goes "Wealthy dudes will often seek out pneumatic young women for marriage, for the sexual aspects of it, and a very good example of this is the late Howard J Marshal". I wonder why?

Seems more based on how in the spotlight you are than gender-based to me.  Anna Nicole Smith put herself in the spotlight intentionally.  People talking about that marriage talk about the playboy centerfold, not the bland and generic rich guy she married.

But rich and powerful men who are in the spotlight and mess around with young women get talked about all the time.  Back in the day, pretty much every comedian around did material on Clinton.  How many of those skits are mocking the random intern, and how many of them are mocking the President?

If Hugh Hefner had married a random 19 year old who then went on to enjoy wealth in obscurity out of the public eye, which name do you think would be more prominently talked about?

German_Film_Star

Aug 22, 2013

I suppose that was a bad example(Anna Nicole Smith). My point is that plenty of women really do marry men with money who aren't famous(not necessarily Rich but at least affluent) because they have ulterior motives. Love and sex are not the same thing. There are people who view marriage as a business transaction and that's certainly not very romantic, it is a reality.

 

The bottom line:You can buy sex and do it legally under the pretext of marriage, but you can't really buy love.

Sushibitch

Aug 22, 2013

People say that all the time in my country. Stop acting like she was the victim here.

I don't think she was a victim; I just don't think he was either. They both knew exactly what they were getting into, no-one was sneaky or cunning about it, and neither one was being more selfish than the other; they both got what they wanted from each other. Which, to be honest, makes it pretty much a perfect marriage, doesn't it?

However, there are also countless situations where the man is told he's getting into a relationship not about money, and it's often with a similarly-aged women...and only later is told/showed he essentially signed a financial agreement with her.

So you're saying that wealthy guys are generally naive, and marry people without A) knowing the women well or B) knowing what the marriage contract says?

Gee, you have a pretty low opinion of the intelligence of guys with money, eh?

Personally, I think men with money are quite as smart as the rest of us, and that they do, in fact, know what marriage entails, and that they can choose, just as the rest of us can, to get to know their partner well before marrying them.

Consider women who doesn't put up a big front not just about "my man must be financially self-supporting"

Seriously, Amp. could you at least _try_ to proof-read a bit before you post? This just doesn't make any sense; I genuinely do not know what you're trying to say here. It reads like English isn't your first language, but I'm pretty sure it is.

I wouldn't put it in as extreme terms as Anton did, but dating exclusively up (far as financial class) is still quite common for women.

Given that women earn, on average, 77 cents for every dollar earned by a man (in the US), that's hardly very surprising, is it?

If Hugh Hefner had married a random 19 year old who then went on to enjoy wealth in obscurity out of the public eye, which name do you think would be more prominently talked about?

His name would (and does) get mentioned, but in the context for "Here's a good example of a gold-digging woman who only married the guy for money". It seems like women are expected to have some sort of purer, higher motive for marriage, whereas men are kind of expected to be in it for young boobs; it seems to me to be a shame to have such low expectations of men. Personally, I think both men and women marry for all sorts of reasons, some good and some not so good.

German_Film_Star

Aug 22, 2013

Given that women earn, on average, 77 cents for every dollar earned by a man (in the US), that's hardly very surprising, is it?

 

That is not the reason for them doing so. It has nothing to do with any perceived unfairness, it is purely about getting access to more money the easy way. I'm sure that if more wealthy women(and they are plenty of em here)were willing to to the same thing that men would be chasing sugar mommas.

Traditional gender roles gave concessions to women and a lot of women refuse to give those(concessions)up. It's just self-interest...nothing more, nothing less.

chucker23n

Aug 22, 2013

Bitches.

Sushibitch

Aug 22, 2013

That is not the reason for them doing so. It has nothing to do with any perceived unfairness, it is purely about getting access to more money the easy way.

It's statistics, pure and simple; if women, on average, earn less than men, then on average, in any ive male/female couple, he is likely to earn more than her. Similarly, he's likely to be taller than her, and have more y chromosomes than her.

German_Film_Star

Aug 22, 2013

It's statistics, pure and simple;

 

 

*shakes head*

Most people do not make important life decisions like that based on statistics, Sushi. They make them based on what they are going to get out of it.

 

With regards to tall men, that's a whole 'nother story. Money is something that can be acquired, the genes for being tall cannot.

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