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Phyrewerx

May 11, 2013

So, a few days ago Danny Brown (seen here w. article about incident), was preforming on stage and during that performance a woman attempted to give him oral sex. Kitty (née Pryde (had to be dropped)) was there and what she wrote has a small chunk of the internet buzzing.

An excerpt:

Here's another thing Danny wants. Like anyone else, Danny wants to be respected as an artist and a human. Like any other male, especially those in the public eye (and especially those who spend a lot of time talking about licking vaginas), he wants to be respected as a “man." I'm only putting man in quotation marks because my ideal man is currently at home in NYC lighting cupcake-scented candles and taking bubble baths. 

But we all know what happened last week at our show in Minneapolis, an event that we're currently referring to in the bus as "The Thing," because we all kind of want to forget about it. Ever since it happened the universal respect Danny commanded has splintered into two groups: one side thinking he’s way more awesome than they should, and the other thinking he's an awful misogynist and hack. This bothers me a lot. Him too, but mostly me. I’m mad as hell, to be honest.

I’m mad that a person thought it was okay to pull another person’s pants down during their performance in front of about 700 other people. I’m mad that a person thought it was a good idea to perform a sex act on another person without their consent. I’m mad that nobody made her leave. I’m mad that Danny had to actually wonder what he was supposed to do at that point. I’m mad that when I went home and said I had no respect for that girl, I was attacked for being a “slut-shamer” (after literally leading a girl to his hotel room at 3AM at her request) and, even more outrageously, for being jealous of the girl who sucked his dick. I’m mad that when two dudes pulled my pants down onstage, other people got mad too, but when it happened to Danny the initial reaction was like one big high-five. I’m mad that people are treating "The Thing" like it’s some legendary event. I’m mad that even though they know exactly who the girl is, nobody in the media will even talk to her. I’m mad that I get a bunch of emails a day asking me to talk about my best friend’s “misogyny” and “classless behavior”, from people who have heard only rumors and seen only one very blurry and inconclusive iPhone photo.

...

It's obvious that the reason nobody cares is because a girl did it to a boy. I said this on my blog, but I’ll say it again here—I had my pants ripped off onstage, and didn’t know what to do either because being naked in front of 1000 people is incredibly scary and there’s not much quick decision-making happening in your brain during that sort of thing. Now I’m prepared to kick a motherfucker in the teeth if he touches me at all, and I equip myself with giant boots for that reason. What is Danny supposed to do? The girl was at mouth-to-dick level already and to push her away, he would've had to either pushed her face or kicked her, and even the most gentle of either motion would immediately be labeled “abuse” by anyone watching. Guys pushing girls is not a good look when people are taking photos. So what was Danny supposed to do, other than back away, which he did? And if he had figured out a way to gently push the girl off him immediately without looking like he was smacking her in the face, he’s faced with attacks on his masculinity by every douchebro in the building. Yo dude, you don’t want your dick sucked, bro? Are you gay? Haha you’re gay you don’t want girls to suck your dick haha gay dude bro man swag! And that’s a rapper’s literal nightmare.

So there we have it, a woman defending what happened to a man, pointing out that sexual assault is wrong no matter who is doing it to who.

Also, I'm kind of liking Kitty's songs. They are not like anything I've heard.

Further reading here.

smashingmayo

May 11, 2013

eH i DIDN'T READ SINCE that's a million words, but if she "defended" something bad happening to a man how could she say all assault is wrong?
sandyvs

May 11, 2013

I think Danny did the perfect move by backing away. The woman should have been immediately removed. It's not like a comedian that can handle a heckler and yeah, she deserved to be kicked in the face or shoved, but that would've made HIM look bad.

I had a guy at work yesterday grab my ass. I told him, "Do NOT do that"! I'm used to people touching me, but he was trying to see how far he could push it. If he does it again, I will tell him, "Do NOT do that ever again and if you do it will get ugly" That will stop it right there.

smashingmayo

May 11, 2013

haha. yes if the guy does something abck that's oh so wrong, isn't it, feminist? Only females can hit peeps, when attacked, right? I guess if a female ahs a knife the man should sit there and let a jodi be performed, right?
sandyvs

May 11, 2013

No, Mayo, I don't know what you're talking about, but if I had hit the guy who grabbed my ass, I could've been fired for assault. I stated that I agree Danny had every right to shove her or kick her in the face, but THOSE photos probably would've been taken totally out of context and worked against him. 

I don't understand why the woman wasn't arrested or taken out at the very least. Maybe some people thought it was part of the show?

 

Phyrewerx

May 11, 2013

yes if the guy does something abck that's oh so wrong, isn't it, feminist?

All assault is wrong. It is a thing that is best avoided in all situations.

As it was pointed out that people were taking a lot of photos there, and in all likelihood there could have been a photo that looked a lot more wrong, even if he just gently pushed her away.

But really, no matter what, there was no action he could have taken that would have universally pleased anyone and that's a shame.

@Sandy, that's terrible. That person should be fired. From what Kitty wrote, she doesn't know why the bouncers didn't act. Maybe they thought it was part of the show, or really cool.

smashingmayo

May 11, 2013

No matter how pics are misrepresented, they could still show what has been shown already. And technically you have a right to hit someone who grabs you, especially if you don't know what they are up to. You sound like one of my exes who said she would be uncool if she told guys to stop grabbing her boobs..................
smashingmayo

May 11, 2013

omg, cralne, o all is not wrong. If you're attacked firt i y tnk you can be hurt AT AL, even a scrac, ou HAVEt ti them to mke t sto Why should yu dure pai ust t keep from infictingy in self-defense? If somone tries to rape a woman, you think they should just le i apen rather thatry toight it? hopefully you can understand this.... i ahvent read it back ut ust saw thiiiot broser or ste made my etes disappearagain.
belialx90

May 11, 2013

No, Mayo, I don't know what you're talking about, but if I had hit the guy who grabbed my ass, I could've been fired for assault. 

But it would have been self defence. And if it was only one or two punches it would have been legal or proportionate. Assault isn't just about the amount of damage done to you It's bout the level of offense it caused. You can be charged with assault for spitting on someone or farting on them. Groping their ass is just as offensive. 

smashingmayo

May 11, 2013

beliar, have you been charged when doing stuff with odummy? I guess not, since wouldnt he be willing?
ChineseAcrobat

May 11, 2013

My favorite part about this is how, in this massive case of verbal diarrhea, she took this incident that happened to someone else and made it all about her.

Am I supposed to know who these people are?

 

P.S. Kitty: I love sluts, too.

ChineseAcrobat

May 11, 2013

Something tells me that he was not as mortified as she projects him to be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ihnBGHfvpBs

Phyrewerx

May 11, 2013

I think the point is more how split the reaction of people is from the fans.

It is controversial because if this happened to a woman on stage the reaction would be different. Is that ok? Is it ok to have a double standard?

If Danny Brown's art is all about being hypersexual, where is the line for him? How can people tell there is a line?

Informavore

May 11, 2013

^^Being a celebrity is a lot about selling an image.  What he says after has nothing to do with whether or not the woman crossed any lines.

Can someone who's been following this break down the sides for me?  Kitty sounds spot on, but for this to spark any sort of internet blowup, there has to be more than one reaction.  Who's disagreeing so loudly that this is a thing?

smashingmayo

May 11, 2013

I see coraline still didn't respond to my post to her.....
sandyvs

May 11, 2013

Phyre, a lot of performers expect and some even like that kind of attention. I think when you're at a show like that where just about 'anything goes' is ok, then it's hard to judge a man or woman for that behavior.

I think that for every performer (man or woman) that is horrified by that, there are many more that would welcome that behavior.

As for the guy at work, I was not upset at all. I'm facebook friends with him and his wife, and his family has been to my home before. I recently sent him this link from Dancing at the Green Iguana that we were talking about. I know he is in a bad marriage and he was testing me. I gave him my answer when he grabbed my ass, and if he didn't get the message, next time it will be stronger.

Phyrewerx

May 11, 2013

Mayo, I had a hard time understanding what you wrote.

I think people have the right to defend themselves, when possible. But beyond that I couldn't make out your point.

I think the blow up is on Kitty's perspective on what happened. How people are so splintered by what she wrote.

sandyvs

May 11, 2013

I think the blow up is on Kitty's perspective on what happened. How people are so splintered by what she wrote.

I think you're correct on that one, especially after watching CA's link. Kitty seems to be the one that is upset, not Danny.

felinefantasy

May 11, 2013

I don't know who these people are,but the video that Eggie posted sure makes him look like a bumbling fuckwit.

 

_hearmerawr_

May 11, 2013

Yeah, I feel bad for Kitty because she preformed a few days ago and everyone was chanting, "SUCK DANNYS DICK! SUCK DANNYS DICK".

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