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MotJuste

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I don't believe in free speech. Anyone you ask will say they do and mostly they're lying, because free speech means anything, means you can say absolutely anything with no legal consequences, including slander, libel, plaigarism, etc. And people will then go "Well obviously not slander" but then, that's censorship. There's that famous Voltaire quote "I might not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." I disagree with that, but I admire him for it because he really understood the principle. Most people who advocate freedom of speech and no censorshipnhave no idea what they're talking about.

And then, oh, the artists. Censorship of art. I love artists and the arts and part of my censorship support is for them: I believe that people don't have the right to violate others' rights to life, liberty or property, and that it is possible to do so with words. Plaigarism is a violation of the victim's right to property. Lying about someone ina court of law can get them injustly imprisoned-- liberty. And if you have information about a te year old girl, where she lives, what her daily routine is, and you put that information up all over the web for any crazy to see along with easy step-by-step instructions on how to kidnap, rape and murder her, that's a violation of her right to life and it shouldn't be allowed.

These sound extreme and I know tha tthey're exceptions, not the rule. And usually I support freedom of speech, but any exception at all means I support censorship, so the standard goes like this:

"We have the right to freedom of speech, to be limited if and only if said speech constitutes a clear and present danger to the fundamnetal rights of others, is slander, plaigarism or libel, or would falsely incite a reasonable person to violence or panic."

It isn't perfectly worded, of course.

It's either that or I support total freedom of speech, in which the victim could retaliate by mailing detailed accounts of how to get into the perp's home to every psycho who might try it but honestly, I'd rather just have everyone protected.

And, there's a real life example.

There's a little college in Canada. Around the campus there were Missing Women posters. They detailed that these women were missing and had probably been abducted from the campus. Women were urged to watch out, be safe. This sort of thing isn't uncommon-- violent crimes against women are an unfortunate but very present reality in most modern womens' minds-- and a lot of people were very angry and afraid. A rally was organized, people met at a certain place and time to go looking for these women. But instead of going looking for them, the search party was lead to the concert of a new band. The posters had been a publicity stunt to raise buzz. The man who thought it up, named Edwin Booth, also directed the band's music video-- which pictured them abducting and beating their old ex-girlfriends and advocated those actions. Booth, when criticized, claimed that people were trying to censor him for his art. He claimed to be a supporter of total free speech. (Later he complained that people were slandering him.)

By my standards, Edwin Booth should go to jail.

By his standards, someone should be allowed to to find out all of his personal information. Where he lives, when he's home and when he isn't. What the easiest way is to break into his house. That person then finds out an easy way to kill Edwin Booth. Shooting him, say. This person then finds out places where you can buy guns, and how to get rid of one afterwards. How to cover forensic evidence and where to run to when you've finished. They then find someone-- say, a man, somewhat deranged, who's daughter was kidnapped and beaten, raped and killed, who is very angry and has nothing left to lose. They give this man this information. They sit down with him and convince him that Edwin Booth has to die. The man uses this information to kill Edwin Booth, get away with it, is never found. Or maybe he is found, or he dies in the process, or whatever. The person who provided him with the information is entirely public about doing so. Makes the public statement, "Edwin Booth deserved to die and I saw to it that he did. The only thing I didn't do was pull the trigger." That person can't be arrested.

Wherein lies justice?
I don't believe in free speech. Anyone you ask will say they do andmostly they're lying, because free speech means anything,means you can say absolutely anything with no legal consequences,including slander, libel, plaigarism, etc. And people will then go"Well obviously not slander" but then, that's censorship. There'sthat famous Voltaire quote "I might not agree with what you have tosay, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Idisagree with that, but I admire him for it because he reallyunderstood the principle. Most people who advocate freedom ofspeech and no censorshipnhave no idea what they're talkingabout.

And then, oh, the artists. Censorship of art. I love artistsand the arts and part of my censorship support is for them: Ibelieve that people don't have the right to violate others' rightsto life, liberty or property, and that it is possible to do so withwords. Plaigarism is a violation of the victim's right to property.Lying about someone ina court of law can get them injustlyimprisoned-- liberty. And if you have information about a te yearold girl, where she lives, what her daily routine is, and you putthat information up all over the web for any crazy to see alongwith easy step-by-step instructions on how to kidnap, rape andmurder her, that's a violation of her right to life and itshouldn't be allowed.

These sound extreme and I know tha tthey're exceptions, not therule. And usually I support freedom of speech, but anyexception at all means I support censorship, so the standard goeslike this:

"We have the right to freedom of speech, to be limited if and onlyif said speech constitutes a clear and present danger to thefundamnetal rights of others, is slander, plaigarism or libel, orwould falsely incite a reasonable person to violence orpanic."

It isn't perfectly worded, of course.

It's either that or I support total freedom of speech, inwhich the victim could retaliate by mailing detailed accounts ofhow to get into the perp's home to every psycho who might try itbut honestly, I'd rather just have everyone protected.

And, there's a real life example.

There's a little college in Canada. Around the campus there wereMissing Women posters. They detailed that these women were missingand had probably been abducted from the campus. Women were urged towatch out, be safe. This sort of thing isn't uncommon-- violentcrimes against women are an unfortunate but very present reality inmost modern womens' minds-- and a lot of people were very angry andafraid. A rally was organized, people met at a certain place andtime to go looking for these women. But instead of going lookingfor them, the search party was lead to the concert of a new band.The posters had been a publicity stunt to raise buzz. The man whothought it up, named Edwin Booth, also directed the band's musicvideo-- which pictured them abducting and beating their oldex-girlfriends and advocated those actions. Booth, when criticized,claimed that people were trying to censor him for hisart. He claimed to be a supporter of total free speech.(Later he complained that people were slandering him.)

By my standards, Edwin Booth should go to jail.

By his standards, someone should be allowed to to find out all ofhis personal information. Where he lives, when he's home and whenhe isn't. What the easiest way is to break into his house. Thatperson then finds out an easy way to kill Edwin Booth. Shootinghim, say. This person then finds out places where you can buy guns,and how to get rid of one afterwards. How to cover forensicevidence and where to run to when you've finished. They then findsomeone-- say, a man, somewhat deranged, who's daughter waskidnapped and beaten, raped and killed, who is very angry and hasnothing left to lose. They give this man this information. They sitdown with him and convince him that Edwin Booth has to die. The manuses this information to kill Edwin Booth, get away with it, isnever found. Or maybe he is found, or he dies in the process, orwhatever. The person who provided him with the information isentirely public about doing so. Makes the public statement, "EdwinBooth deserved to die and I saw to it that he did. The only thing Ididn't do was pull the trigger." That person can't bearrested.

Wherein lies justice?
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MotJuste writes:Okay, here we go. I believe in absolute freedom of speech. I also agree that...

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