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SpaceDaddy

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Bellevue, Washington

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More Musings on Meat and Brains

Dec 5, 2009

Sometimes people neglect to imitate me, and I get confused. It's hard to be a Cult Leader.

For a while there, a couple years back, I had a carnivorous rule of thumb: don't eat anything with a brain larger than your thumbnail.

The Thumbnail Rule never really won a lot of support, despite what I saw as sound reasoning based on prejudice toward sentience. Balancing my level of sympathy with my love for meat, April the Happy Lamb would win, and Blinky the Friendly Hen would lose. Simple enough.

Many months ago Raven and I and a couple were at Dim Sum, and if you know the first thing about Dim Sum you're familiar with the endless parade of strangely concocted former critters wrapped up in banana leaves and, well, that weird pearlescent goopy stuff that I'm guessing is made from rice. Seeing this, and being a Cult Leader type and all, I pontificated -- just a little bit -- on my Thumbnail / Brain Doctrine.

Raven, a former rancher, countered that it's better to kill the largest animal possible, thereby yielding the most meat per death.

Sue declared that she would eat only critters that were not cute when alive. Kittens == no.

Daniel announced his preference for the more tasty animals.

It doesn't take much to extrapolate these four philosophies to a global scale. Whatever one person leaves out of their menu is just going to get opted in by somebody else. The end result is that everything is safe from some of us, but nothing is safe from all of us. Give us time, and we humans will vacuum up whatever meat is within our reach.

This is an example of what's classically described as 'the Tragedy of the Commons.' Quoting Wikipedia: "a situation in which multiple individuals, acting independently, and solely and rationally consulting their own self-interest, will ultimately deplete a shared limited resource even when it is clear that it is not in anyone's long-term interest for this to happen."

I've seen some good stuff over the course of my lifetime... we got a world-wide whaling ban, that was good. There was the Kyoto Protocol, sort of, and the upcoming Copenhagen Summit may fix up the red bits in  --> this linked map.

But all in all, we're flunking. As a species. Our interests are too divergent and our challenges are too numerous. We've got population expansion, resource depletion and habitat destruction. Governments are being more proactive than they were decades ago, but meanwhile there are a lot more of us, and we're living more extravagantly. Trouble, you bet.

If only I could be the Cult Leader for the whole world, I could fix it up real nice. But that's not likely. It will end badly for us and in some future era, giant squids or some other more promising critter will have taken over the planet. Maybe the new species will make the same mistakes, and my distant descendants will wind up being chopped up into little appetizers and carted around from table to table at the giant squid version of Dim Sum. Some slimy cephalopod will pick one out of a kelp leaf and say 'it's cute, but I don't feel too bad about eating it, because it's got a brain smaller than my tentacle.'

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Sometimes people neglect to imitate me, and I get confused. It'shard to be a Cult Leader.

For a while there, a couple years back, I had a carnivorous rule ofthumb: don't eat anything with a brain larger than yourthumbnail.

The Thumbnail Rule never really won a lot of support, despite whatI saw as sound reasoning based on prejudice toward sentience.Balancing my level of sympathy with my love for meat, April theHappy Lamb would win, and Blinky the Friendly Hen would lose.Simple enough.

Many months ago Raven and I and a couple were at Dim Sum, and ifyou know the first thing about Dim Sum you're familiar with theendless parade of strangely concocted former critters wrapped up inbanana leaves and, well, that weird pearlescent goopy stuff thatI'm guessing is made from rice. Seeing this, and being a CultLeader type and all, I pontificated -- just a little bit -- on myThumbnail / Brain Doctrine.

Raven, a former rancher, countered that it's better to kill thelargest animal possible, thereby yielding the most meat perdeath.

Sue declared that she would eat only critters that were not cutewhen alive. Kittens == no.

Daniel announced his preference for the more tasty animals.

It doesn't take much to extrapolate these four philosophies to aglobal scale. Whatever one person leaves out of their menu is justgoing to get opted in by somebody else. The end result is thateverything is safe from some of us, but nothing is safe from all ofus. Give us time, and we humans will vacuum up whatever meat iswithin our reach.

This is an example of what's classically described as 'the Tragedy of the Commons.' Quoting Wikipedia:"a situation in which multiple individuals, actingindependently, and solely and rationally consulting their ownself-interest, will ultimately deplete a shared limited resourceeven when it is clear that it is not in anyone's long-term interestfor this to happen."

I've seen some good stuff over the course of my lifetime... we gota world-wide whaling ban, that was good. There was the KyotoProtocol, sort of, and the upcoming Copenhagen Summit may fix upthe red bits in  --> this linked map.

But all in all, we're flunking. As a species. Our interests are toodivergent and our challenges are too numerous. We've got populationexpansion, resource depletion and habitat destruction. Governmentsare being more proactive than they were decades ago, but meanwhilethere are a lot more of us, and we're living more extravagantly.Trouble, you bet.

If only I could be the Cult Leader for the whole world, I could fixit up real nice. But that's not likely. It will end badly for usand in some future era, giant squids or some other more promisingcritter will have taken over the planet. Maybe the new species willmake the same mistakes, and my distant descendants will wind upbeing chopped up into little appetizers and carted around fromtable to table at the giant squid version of Dim Sum. Some slimycephalopod will pick one out of a kelp leaf and say 'it's cute, butI don't feel too bad about eating it, because it's got a brainsmaller than my tentacle.'

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More Musings on Meat and Brains
An image of SpaceDaddy Major Danby replied indulgently with a superior smile, "But, Yossarian, suppose everyone felt that way."
"Then I'd certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way, wouldn't I?"

SpaceDaddy commented on Dec 5, 2009

I like how you use the very accessible story of the Dim Sum experience to get at something utterly bleak that would be depressing to read if it weren't so amusingly written. I'll have to look up the Copenhagen Summit since I live in one of the little red bits.

A former user commented on Dec 5, 2009

An image of zhaikume i like this musing. rather, i like the way it's been written. i just finished eating a mixture of brown and white long-grain rice mixed with some home-made veggie soup and some roasted hazelnuts on the side (i like raw hazelnuts better but spain doesn't "do" raw hazelnuts, at least none that i've seen.) ánd got to thinking, i should try this for a whole week. whole grains and nuts and fruit and yoghurt. i'm not a vegetarian but i don't eat much meat because it really doesn't do it for me. i do like a bit of variety, however and i usually try things for the sake of trying things, like octopus for example, but i'm rarely satisfied with the experience (texture, taste, aftertaste, overall lethargy afterwards...). spain claims to be healthy because they use olive oil but everything is deep fried in it, not lightly sautéed. i think it's no better than the u.s. and it's obsession with fast food chains and microwave food. like everywhere else, here, i'd rather eat at home. eat to live, not live to eat. maybe if more people thought that way the resources wouldn't be used up so quickly. regardless, all is damned if you do, damned if you don't ¿no?

zhaikume commented on Dec 5, 2009

great post. I prefer a diet that centers around the beans & grains. I recently decided to much reduce milkfat for health reasons. It helps me to have cooking friends who feel the way I do so that we reinforce each other; I doubt I would stick to it otherwise because absolutely everyone else around here eats cooks and eats meat like there's no tomorrow.

A former user commented on Dec 5, 2009

I often wonder if our actions are not proof that evolution is still in effect (with a bit of karma and Dr. Suess thrown in). We will voraciously consume and consume until nothing remains, then nature will strike a balance (because it always does) and level the playing field. What's for dinner? You.

A former user commented on Dec 5, 2009

Have a less than coherent, "Well written, sir, well written.' I gave up on the vegetarian option when it became too damned difficult to get calories is me w/my various medical bobbles... and, er, so damned tasty. The kraken are welcome to dine on my sweetmeats, fair is fair.

A former user commented on Dec 5, 2009

An image of imbtween I know a cult leader and you, sir, are no cult leader.

This man is The One True Cult Leader:

http://tinyurl.com/yatrwjc

imbtween commented on Dec 5, 2009

^Yes. There is no one but him. He's the only one we truly worship. You can worship him too.

A former user commented on Dec 5, 2009

An image of imbtween yes, he's crazy if he thinks he can control us the way our cult leader does. But OPs profile does acknowledge his last residence was Bellevue - though I don't know why there's a "Washington" after it. Bellevue is in Manhattan.

imbtween commented on Dec 5, 2009

Our CL could take this impostor down without moving a finger. He could render him immobile with mere mind power.

A former user commented on Dec 5, 2009

An image of cheninblanc

I tend to agree with Atofocus. Nature is all so complicated, trying to figure out the best course of action is nearly impossible. I think it's kind of arrogant to think we have all the answers. Selfishness is human nature. It's our selfish compassion that causes us to feed the starving tribes in Africa, when really, it would be better for the earth to have them starve as nature intended.

Personally, I eat what makes me feel good. And I live to eat and find nothing wrong with that. Eating is one of the greatest pleasures in life.

cheninblanc commented on Dec 5, 2009

An image of imbtween Master Phenomenology could control this pretender with nothing more than his penetrating gaze. It is uber powerful and he had us all at namaste.

imbtween commented on Dec 5, 2009

You two are up early. Pull an all-nighter?

A former user commented on Dec 5, 2009

An image of imbtween Clearly you have somehow managed to escape his far-reaching power, Slyypper. I think it will fall to you to run the deprogramming workshops next year. In the meantime we shall continue to solicit donations at Newark, Kennedy and LaGuardia.

imbtween commented on Dec 5, 2009

Your people need to spend more money on R&D. I am under his spell, imbtween, and have been for some time. Missed him when he was gone for the summer, but it's easy to understand. We all do what we have to do.

A former user commented on Dec 5, 2009

Seriously imbtween, to even suggest that slyypper isn't already firmly under his spell is preposterous. Just look at her main pic. Who, other than our CL, could position her like that for picture day? You think that anyone would do that of their own free will?

A former user commented on Dec 5, 2009

*gazes upon his minions*

A former user commented on Dec 5, 2009

An image of imbtween I only do what Master says. R&D would cost money, no? We don't make that much in the airports. Perhaps next meeting I'll suggest we try Penn station too....

imbtween commented on Dec 5, 2009

An image of SpaceDaddy Phenomenology will soon learn that my old age and guile will defeat his youth and cleverness, every time. But don't worry, Ph, I'll be here to offer advice and guidance in your moments of crisis. Good luck, and you're welcome.

SpaceDaddy commented on Dec 5, 2009

An image of imbtween oh no you d'int SD. I think we're going to have to pile into the VW microbus and head out there for a devotee throwdown. THis is VERY srs business!!!

imbtween commented on Dec 5, 2009

An image of samurai_cindy Ah, my two fav Jim Jones in the same thread. I do agree, however, that age and wiles beat youth and vocabulary every time. Someone not long ago commented that if we all became vegetarians there would not be enough vegetattion for us to eat. WTF? Logic like that makes Darwin roll over in his grave.

samurai_cindy commented on Dec 5, 2009

Per OP's post. See Evolution, by Stephen Baxter.

A former user commented on Dec 5, 2009

I'll suggest we try Penn station too.... Would suggest you start at Grand Central. Although, the trains to Chicago don't leave from there, so I'm told, it's a much better venue for public exposures of the type you propose.

A former user commented on Dec 5, 2009

*plucking daisy petals* follow phenomenology...follow SpaceDaddy...follow phenomenology...follow SpaceDaddy...follow Paul and Storm...follow...oh damn. Lost count. *picks another daisy and starts plucking petals*

A former user commented on Dec 5, 2009

An image of SpaceDaddy Gosh darn it, m_s, you're supposed to be collecting donations for those daisies at SeaTac! Remember, I get half your take.

SpaceDaddy commented on Dec 5, 2009

An image of zhaikume unrelated: i'm currently taking a phenomenology course in spanish. it's a bitch. the teacher is awesome but he mumbles and uses chicken scratch. therefore, i can do nothing more than jot down recognisable words and hope for the best.

zhaikume commented on Dec 6, 2009

An image of case72 I learned to eat animals around the age of 9, because I wanted to conform. Nowadays, I dont eat critters too often, but when I see a real tasty one (like Squid, Tuna, Sturgeon Hearts, Salmon, Fried in the fat of an unbaptized child) I think of the things that eat us. Mostly they are tiny things, but to overthink this is to arrogantly place ourselves outside nature. Bottom line, Im hungry, the bunny dies. That is all

case72 commented on Dec 7, 2009

I think one problem with fixing the world is that it's so damned difficult to recognize anything for what it IS. I will relate a dim sum story of my own to illustrate this point.

In 1982-83 I was in Guangzhou, known by most here as Canton, in the People's Republic of China. It was a dream come surprisingly true for me, but not for my ex (though now he says it was the greatest adventure of his life). We missed "home" food and I did a lot of cooking while I was there. My specialty became green chile with pork. But we missed "American" food and from time to time went to Hong Kong to buy ingredients, stuff like mayonnaise, canned tuna, butter (from New Zealand!) and Danish Havarti which we carried back on the train, hover-craft, boat whatever on our backs. It may be the plainest, most ordinary of home food that staves off homesickness best. So it was for me.

One of our trips to Hong Kong was on a river boat. We docked in Tsimshatsui and shouldering near empty backpacks headed off in search of breakfast. We passed a place that looked for all the world like a Denny's and went in thinking scrambled eggs and bacon and TOAST (well, bread was pretty exotic in Guangzhou back then). It wasn't a Tsimshatsui version of Denny's at all. It was dim sum. It was amazing. We went back every day we were in Hong Kong.

We had no idea that dim sum had been invented in the city where we were living. I had no idea that it had been served centuries ago in the restaurant where the heads of my school had taken us to welcome us to Guangzhou. Basically, I had no clue.

So much damage is done because we have no clue. We don't know where we are, what we're looking at, or what anything means. I like your friend Raven's stoneage philosophy. "We kill a really big thing, or a couple of them, and then we all get food, houses, and tools." I've often wondered, though, when the plains Indians would drive herds of bison off a cliff as an efficient hunting method why we are so upset at white settlers/hunters/tourists/OK, I'll say it, Buffalo Bill shooting thousands of bison for fun. This is, to me, another one of those weird things. We DECIDE to view things in a certain way (like your thumbnail stance) and then we attribute to it Truth and Right. So, it isn't even that we just don't have a clue, we make things up.

Then there's the thing about seeing what we expect, what we believe and what we believe we will see. All of these problems make reality that is not an agreed upon illusion damned hard to find. China, again. I could stop hundreds of Chinese in their tracks just by hunkering down on my haunches by the side of the road to wait for the bus. White people can't sit like that and white people take taxis, so wtf?

A former user commented on Dec 8, 2009