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9 Questions/Comments That Atheists Are Tired of
Mar 31, 2010
Ever since I declared myself an atheist (or at the very least, a
non-believer), things in my life haven't changed very much. My
outlook on the world, on the other hand, has changed immensely.
This might also be due to the fact that it happened at an
outlook-changing time of a young man's life: early adolescence. It
is with no surprise to me that my atheism has come into question by
those who do not understand. Likewise, I'm here to sort out and
compile the most asked questions and the most said statements, and
to answer and/or debunk them.
I want to ask at this time that all comments of this blog be
strictly that: comments. I'm not looking to debate. I'm not looking
to be told (I hope you come around and see the light [which is
something I will be discussing, actually]). I'm looking for
comments. Any looking to start a more detailed discussion on this
blog isn't really being considered, as it's more of a "I just wanna
say this and be done with it" type-of affair. If people talking
about beliefs that are different from your own (while using
abrasive language, no doubt) offends you, please either a. Don't
read it, or b. Keep your offense to yourself, because I'm warning
you right here and now.
Alright, so let's begin.
1. "Why don't you believe in God?"
The mother of all questions. Most of the following questions have
something to do with this very statement. I've been asked the
question "Why don't you believe in God?" more than I've been asked
"Would you like fries with that?" This is the kind of question
that, to an atheist, is so befuddling and difficult to answer that
the hesitant silence that comes after the question's emission is
usually seen as a triumph to the asking believer. Believe you me,
there's no triumph in asking a question that cannot be answered
immediately (something that a lot of you could learn from).
Of course, you all know as to why I personally don't believe in God
(if you don't, read the entry before this one), but there actually
is an easier and more versatile way of explaining it. When the
question "Why don't you believe in God?" is asked, it automatically
asserts the idea that "belief" is something that everybody has (and
in the atheists' case, eventually loses). When you ask somebody why
they have no belief, you're asking them why they have a different
view than the majority of society. We weren't born with
belief. The human mind is incapable of understanding when
you are born and therefore ALL people are born atheists (that is,
they have a disconnection with theism). So if we were ALL atheists
at some point, wouldn't the more appropriate question be asked to
the believers? "Why are you a Christian/Jew/Muslim/Hindu?" Because
something in that person's life lead for them to become
indoctrinated to that belief.
To better illustrate this point, let me use a more physical
example. Little Johnny is sitting in his 8th grade English class
when his friend Big Steve walks into the room. In addition, Obese
Carl and Loner David walks in. They all have
beards...except Johnny, that is. They all sit around Johnny and
notice that Johnny is the only one without a beard and one of them
asks him, "Johnny, why don't you have a beard?" The response: "I
just don't."
That's really the bottom line: atheists don't have belief because
they just don't. There's no magical cosmic reason to it. Some
people seem to believe that atheists must have gotten angry at God
and that's why they don't believe, but that's a foolish idea
because atheists don't even believe in a God to get angry at. The
very notion is a paradox within itself.
2. Atheists don't have morals.
This one's just plain silly and largely offensive in many ways.
While this isn't one that is employed by all Christians (as a
matter of fact, I'd say that the majority of Christians I know do
NOT propel towards this belief [at least, not outwardly]), it's
still a very ignorant and foolish statement. I have been told
before that, due to my disconnection from God, I have no grasp on
morals and basic human compassion. If you're an atheist, you might
have at the very least heard something like this (even if it hasn't
been directed at you).
The main thing I'd like to say on this (well, the first being a
giant middle finger to anybody who follows this sort of process) is
something that feels so basic and common knowledge to say that I
feel redundant saying it once: the average atheist will have just
as strong a moral foundation as the average Christian.
Likewise, a person's religious background tells nothing
about their moral standings. I can't comprehend what
causes people to go towards this belief. Perhaps people assume that
since we are breaking the first commandment that we are okay with
breaking all of them?
Think about our prisons. The people in prison have broken the laws
of our country. These laws (while not all of them) seem to be
modeled off of the same sins and evils that have been seen
throughout the history of mankind: murder, torture, rape, robbery,
etc. Likewise, I think it's safe to say that by a believer's
standards, there are lots of people in jail for deeds that are seen
as sin. Do you HONESTLY think that all of the people in jail are
atheists? As a matter of fact, a study was conducted in 1997. The
percentage of Christians in jail VASTLY outnumbers that of
atheists: 39.1 percent of inmates are Catholic and 35 percent of
inmates are Protestant. The percentage of inmates that are
atheists? 0.21 percent. And a few Christians have the nerve to say
that atheists lack morals while Christians do not?
Of course, the low number of atheists in prison says nothing about
atheists having HIGHER morals than Christians, but simply tells a
tale that there are not nearly as many atheists as there are
Christians. Either way, the point comes across as this: religion
does not dictate morals.
Source of statistics:
http://www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm
3-5. "I hope you will one day accept the Lord / Jesus Loves
You / Atheists are only that way because they had a mistrust with
God once before."
These all fall under a same general category, so I'm grouping them
together (no friends, I'm not skimping out on you by lowering my
writing duties in this conglomerate). I've heard this one in many
different styles and flavors (so many that I could only list the
three most common ones). Either way, they all look towards the same
through-line, and that is, "You know, you may be an atheist now,
but I hope/know/feel that you will accept Jesus into your life one
day."
Christians don't realize what a rude and blatant statement this is.
You are basically saying this in a candy-coated manner, "You know,
your beliefs may be different from mine now, but don't worry: I
know that you'll begin thinking the way that I do." How smug and
arrogant is this? How would YOU like it if I said the same thing,
only catering to my beliefs? It would go something like this:
I know that you believe in God now, but don't worry, you'll
get over your stupid fairy tale shit and come back down to planet
Earth with the rest of us." Do I have the right to say
that unprovoked? No. Would you, a Christian, be offended if I said
that? More than likely, yes. So why do some Christians feel the
need to say that awfully arrogant statement whenever they finish a
conversation with an atheist about atheism? It's rude and I don't
think they realize just how rude it is.
Let's take a look at the second one: "Jesus Loves You!" When
somebody that I know tells me this and they know that I don't
believe in Jesus, it's pretty much them flaunting their beliefs in
my face. How would you like it if I said: "Nobody Loves You!". Same
thing. Yet a good deal of Christians I know would throw a bitch fit
over the very idea that I would say such a thing.
There's also a belief that some have told me in congruence with
number three (and number one), in that people who have no belief in
God are that way because of a specific event in their life that
made them turn their backs to him and doubt him. Come on now...you
really think that every atheist is this way? I don't even think I
KNOW an atheist who has had this be the case.
Remember one thing: your beliefs are only golden within your own
head. Once you put them out in the world, you can't treat your
beliefs as fact. You can only treat fact as fact. Now, if you're
one of those Christians who says, "I KNOW that my God is real,"
well then good for you. Now shut up and let me enjoy my
burrito.
6. "If there's no God, what happens when you
die?"
Following closely after the "Why don't you believe" question in
popularity is this one. Christians, of course, believe that life
continues after death (the definition of death being "the
end of life"). Those who have lived good (Christian) lives
get to go to a place of eternal paradise called Heaven, while those
who were wicked (therefore, non-Christian) and sinful will be cast
into a place of endless torture called Hell. It's not an original
idea, believe me. The ideas of heaven and hell have been going
around since the earliest of religions. As to why it always seems
to come about, I have my own theories (those of which won't be
expressed in here as I don't have time to explain the topic of
"Religion and Population Control" [though maybe for another blog
entry]). Either way, it's a belief that mankind has clung to for a
very long time.
Likewise, I discussed something in my last blog entry called The
God Module. If you didn't read and don't want to click away from
this page, it's a primitive byproduct of self-awareness that
prevents the brain from imagining an existence where its own being
does not live anymore. This is where the life after death idea
originated from, and it's no surprise that Earth's favorite
religion contains this element.
Being an atheist, I'm not going to boast the fact that I can
imagine an existence without myself. Because the truth is: I can't.
Well, my brain can't understand it, but my consciousness can. I can
consciously realize that there will come a time when I and
everybody I know will no longer exist (save for some bones in a box
or some ashes encased in ceramic). When the question of "What
happens after you die?" comes up, I always respond in two answers:
"I don't know", and "I don't care". My concerns here on Earth are
of Earthly matters. If there is indeed a soul or a spirit within
each person (something I don't believe in), then it is not of
concern to my Earthly being. Some Christians will follow up my
answer with a "Well I know what's happening to me!" No, you don't.
Once again, nobody knows. The Pope himself doesn't know what
happens when you die, yet you, a little white girl living in
central Florida, know the almighty answer of what happens after
death? Get real.
Of course, if there is a spirit in each person, it is assured that
the body does not follow the spirit (since we see the body right
here on Earth well after death). Your "life" after death (as
oxymoronic as that is) is something that would transcend your human
thoughts and is nothing that you can control while here on Earth.
This is why I personally don't care.
(Oh, and as a side note, eternal paradise and eternal hell both
have one thing in common: eternity. Can you really imagine living
FOREVER? Eventually, heaven would become hell when you realize that
there is absolutely nothing else to do, nobody new to meet, and no
more angels to fuck [oh come on, Christians. I know you've thought
about getting it on with an angel. The people in Genesis certainly
did.])
7. "If there's no God, how did the world/universe come to
be?"
This question is very close to the above one, in the sense that it
involves a human asking another human something that no human could
possibly know. Once again, I usually answer this question with the
same "don't know/don't care" attitude.
The theory of creationism (or the even more absurdly thought out
'Intelligent Design') states that one day, a man who has existed
forever (makes you wondered what he did beforehand) decided that he
was going to make more of him. So he begun work by creating the
heavens and the Earth (once again, if he created Heaven, where the
hell was he prior to their creation? I always assumed that the
character God lived in Heaven), then slowly adding more and more to
it. For some reason, he had to rest after six days. Oh yeah, I
forgot to mention: he's omnipotent and perfect too (but he has to
rest? What the fuck is this?). That's kind of important for the
story arc.
Anyway, creationism pretty much follows that idea that a man
created everything (including man).
Evolution may not solve the problem of the world's creation (though
the Big Bang kind of does [I can't wrap my mind around that idea
either]). If you really expect me to sit here and type out the
workings of evolution, you've got another thing coming. It is
noteworthy that creationism can be summed up in such simple words
while evolution (something that's actually credible and logical)
actually takes time to articulate and explain. Kind of says
something, doesn't it?
Anyway, both theories of creationism and evolution have one thing
in common: they both TRY to answer the question of how things came
to be. Yet neither really answers all of the questions (though with
evolution losing its theory status, it's obviously become the one
that intelligent people go for). Taking things to a more cosmic
level, the Big Bang states that a sudden burst of energy caused our
universe to come into force. Some Christians like to take that and
say that the Big Bang WAS God's initial decision to create the
universe (which they [well, some] also believe is only about 6000
years old, might I add), but isn't that just complicated something
even further? If you think the Big Bang is a farfetched theory (a
burst of energy within another universe created our universe),
isn't adding God into it (a burst of energy within another universe
sparked by a giant flying man who watches us 24/7 created our
universe) even weirder?
Either way, it all comes down to the same principle: nobody knows
how the world and the universe came to be. So stop trying to
speculate and debate it, because you sound foolish (yes, I'm
talking to both theists and atheists right now) when you try to
prove your point.
8. "If you're right and I'm wrong, what do I have to
lose?"
Ah, here's one that I've heard in many different ways. I've been
asked this question before. I've asked this question myself once
upon a time (as an 11 year old Christian, those were the
days...XD). I've even seen it parodied in South Park. It's not
anything revolutionary and new, folks. This is something referred
to as Pascal's Wager, and it dates as far back as the 17th century.
The statement goes something like this: "If somebody does believe
in God and is incorrect, he has nothing to lose as he is now dead
and (since he was incorrect) will not pay for his mistake. However,
if somebody does not believe in God and is incorrect, he has
everything to lose as he will now go to Hell and pay for his
mistake. Therefore, the only logical choice is to believe there is
a God."
What Blaise Pascal did not realize was...well, he didn't understand
much when he spouted that moronic statement. There are so many
things about his gambit that make absolutely no sense. Let's start
with the one that I hold most dear: his statement of "A believer
who is wrong has nothing to lose in death." is completely
incorrect.
A believer who is incorrect has very much to lose. One who is a
true Christian is one who submits to the teachings of the Old and
New Testament. In the Bible, there are many things that a person is
told to chastise from. Some of these things are completely natural
and human to do/think/feel, yet the Bible claims that they are
wrong and sinful. Right off the bat, a believer is chastising
certain elements of his or her life by submitting to a belief
system (and just so you all know, I'm NOT saying that a Christian
can't live a happy life. I'm just saying that there will be an
absence of many regular, natural things that the Bible claims is
wrong). By being a believer, your life is being altered by limiting
your rights as an organism.
It doesn't stop there, though, for Mr. Pascal forgot another
element that doesn't hold well for him: he was, of course, speaking
of Christianity when he made his ignorant statement. Well, what if
Christianity isn't right? What if one of the other many religions
is actually the correct one? Then, he who believes in God and dies
has even more to lose, because the deity that actually exists is
now pissed and is going to put their soul into a meat grinder (once
again, even if there was an afterlife, you no longer have a body
that can be tortured). This breaks Pascal's Wager up amongst many
different religions that can now use his very argument to get
people to join their own cause. Good going, Blaise.
Finally, there comes one vital key to all of this that completely
blows Pascal's Wager out of a cannon and into the Atlantic Ocean,
and that is this: belief is not something that can be forced. A
person can't merely be sitting there and decide "I'm going to
believe in Allah now." People don't work that way. I could decide
today to read the Bible in full, attend church sermons twice a
week, go to Sunday School, declare confirmation in front of a
priest, etc. But it's not going to change the way that my mind
thinks. If I were to fill my life with God and Jesus and all of
that Christian crap, I would in no way be altering my mind to
suddenly have a revelation of "This is real." I have no belief
simply because I don't (going back to the first question a bit) and
the inability to inject a belief or thought process into me without
a logical and valid point is not able to happen. I am incapable of
believing in God (unless he were to come tap dancing into my living
room, but then I'd just assume that I'm schizophrenic).
So, dear asker, you have quite a bit to lose if you are wrong. And
I have no way of changing my thought process. Of course, why would
I want to? I'm happy as is, which leads me to my final
question...
9. "How can you live with yourself when you believe that
your life is for nothing?
One of the ideas that is slightly linked to question number two and
even more slightly linked with question six is one that I actually
enjoy answering. I won't say that I like the question very much,
but I always feel like my answer fits perfectly. And to those who
don't like my answer, I know that it's not because of any
misspeaking and/or offending nature. Yes friends, I actually do
enjoy saying things that are inoffensive, especially when they get
a thought across as well as this one does.
I've been asked this in a couple of different ways, but it's
usually asked a bit desperately and/or in a troubling manner. It
goes something like, "How can you enjoy your life knowing that it
has no meaning? That it isn't part of something greater? That your
life ends with you?" Right away, I know what they mean, as it's a
question that I struggled with as I made my first religious
transfer from Christian to Agnostic when I was 14. It makes sense
to somebody who has believed in something so high and mighty their
entire life, doesn't it?
Many people who are believers will sometimes speak about their
religious experiences. I've heard it most often referred to as "the
presence of God", where an unknown mental and emotional surge will
hit the person and cause them to feel as if God himself is touching
them. It's a feeling that I myself used to identify with from time
to time (I fondly remember one instance where I believed that God
was telling me that Hell doesn't truly exist in the way that people
believe it to), and it's a feeling that is truly asserting and
wonderful.
Since becoming an atheist, I've had just as many of these spiritual
experiences as I had when I was a Christian. They didn't go away.
Nearly everything is the same, except for the source. The feeling
of intense spiritual awakening that I've felt is not one that I
feel is coming from the outside of me, but rather from the inside.
The moment that I realized that my entire life was going to be seen
and heard and felt through my body and my body alone, the moment I
realized that reality around me is decided by how I think and act
and feel, the moment I made sense of the fact that we are our own
gods and nothing is more powerful than personal
determination...that was when I had my most intense spiritual
experience. Spiritual without religion. It exists. But people tend
to associate spiritual with religion and it has made statements
such as that one seem off.
My life doesn't not have meaning. My life is full of meaning. I'm
fascinated with the fact that I'm one of the lucky people who gets
to live on one of the few habitable planets of the known Universe
(few being about a billion or so). I'm overjoyed at the fact that
everything around me is being perceived as my body wills it so. I'm
in love with the idea that existence exists. Don't ask me how it
does, but it does. I don't know and you don't either, and your life
is just as meaningful as mine. Once I realized that you live life
for yourself, it became one of the sweetest and most heartfelt
moments for me that I can think of.
There is very little different between us believers and
non-believers, and if you choose to believe, that's the price that
you've decided was worth it to live your life. But folks, I tell
ya...you need to understand that atheists aren't the bad guys. We
aren't people who need saving. We aren't stuck in the dark while
you bathe in the light. No, we're all the same. All of us:
organisms on a giant rock hurdling through vast nothingness and
trying to enjoy our lives.