Author's Note: If you like and/or agree with this post, please feel
free to repost it anywhere! It applies to all internet
dating/social networking and it can't hurt to spread good advice,
right?
How To Write To Women On Okcupid
by TC
Let us begin by stating one thing: by "women" I am not including
bimbos, trixies, webcam whores, and people with an IQ of less than
3 digits. Yes, there are some females out there who will fuck you
no matter what an idiot you are. Even more will string you along
and take your money. We're talking about women WORTH
approaching.
That being said, there are several basic principles on how to write
to women AND get them to write back.
1.) Read my profile, and write a letter to me PERSONALLY, from
scratch.
No form letters. We can tell. It's insulting. We won't bite.
example: "Hey my name is Matt 25m livin in lakeview. 5'10 168 lbs
brown hair blue eyes. I think I'm a pretty fun guy, I like to go
out, have a few drinks, hang out party. I like sports, baseball
hiking outdoors stuff like that LOL the one downside just to be
honest i do smoke sorry if that bothers u anyway if you'd like to
hang out sometime let me know."
First of all, you don't need to tell me your weight. It's amazing
how many guys do this. What do you think I'm going to say? "Oh, I
only date MIDDLEWEIGHTS. It's a good thing you let me know you're a
light heavy ahead of time." I don't need to know anything about
your physical appearance, actually - did you know your photo pops
up by the side when I open your email? In fact, not repeating the
generalized, key-word ridden summary of your profile is a really
solid tactic. If I wanted to know that, I could click through
myself. The above email is effectively a spam broadcasting of your
profile. Try to say something different, maybe personal? If you'd
read my profile, you would know I specically don't care for
"baseball, hiking, outdoor stuff LOL." Reciting them again just
serves to prove that you couldn't even be bothered to read my
profile. It makes me think you're not a real person, but a spam
bot. Do you think every close-up picture of an ass that friends you
on myspace REALLY wants to be your literal, actual friend?
Better example:
"I noticed you really like Heinlein... what's your favourite book
of his?"
It doesn't have to be some giant essay. I understand that when so
many emails recieve no reply, it seems a waste of time to compose
lengthy, thoughtful letters. Don't. Overly lengthy letters can seem
creepy and stalkerish at first, anyway. Just pick one personal
trait or interest and make a specific comment, followed by a
specific question to encourage reply.
2.) Say something ORIGINAL.
example:
"Hey how r u. u sound like a fun gal. well ne ways i'd like to get
to know u so if youd like to know more about me or chat sometime
hit me back.
peace"
Notice something: you don't sound like a fun guy. I don't want to
know more about you.
You sound like a faceless, mindless, unidentifiable zombie droning
"msg me... msg me..." I might as well make friends with the
automated phone menu machine. Try to think of something specific
that I would enjoy about you and suggest it.
better example: "I've always wanted to learn tango. Do you swing?
I'll teach you to swing if you'll teach me to tango."
ps: though it is excellent strategy to cultivate a hobby, such as
social dancing, that a majority of girls will be eager to try with
you, if you don't have any such catch-all party trick prepared,
never fear. Search my profile for ANY interest we may have in
common and suggest we do that. Failing that, suggest we do
something goofy, non-sexual, fun and kind of ridiculous like
building a pillow fort. If we have no common interests and can't
have fun doing nothing in particular either, this is clearly not
meant to be and you should move on without wasting your time.
3.) Don't compliment me.
Not on the first letter. Just don't. It sounds like senseless
flattery, an overt, "Nice shoes, wanna fuck?"
example: "WOW baby u r so hot just WOW."
Don't tell me I'm hot, cute, pretty, amazing, awesome, fun, sexy,
interesting, or any generic positive trait to be sought in a mate.
I know you want to date and/or fuck me. Why the hell else are you
writing me on OKcupid? You have plenty of time to compliment me
later, when you have given me a reason to care what you think. Most
women can't be bought straight off the bat with senseless flattery.
Those who do hoard compliments from any and every stranger are so
insecure and neurotic you won't want to deal with it when their
fragile ego explodes in a rush of jealous neediness after you DO
fuck them.
example 2: "I must say, you are a fascinating and intelligent
woman. I would love to get to know you."
Even proper grammar can't save this one. It's still "nice shoes,
wanna fuck?" dressed up. If you are smart enough to write in
complete sentences, try putting some worthwhile content into those
sentences.
better example: "What kind of gaming are you into? I just bought a
new Myst-type and was looking for some people to crack into it
with."
Notice he avoided urge to say "That's so awesome that you're into
gaming!" Just try to talk about something, anything, without
actually blathering about how great it makes her.
4.) If it's not working, drop it.
Annoying her more is not going to make her like you. The moment you
think it's not going somewhere, just drop it. Drop it early, drop
it preemptively. I'm not saying be rude or give some ridiculous "I
think we should stop talking," speech. Prolonging conversation by
discussion how it should be over is ludicrous. Don't talk about how
you should shut up, just shut up. You won't lose anything by being
reticent. If she did like you, she'll send the next im.
5.) Use whole words.
This is not a phone. You will not be charged if you go over 160
characters.
6.) Don't talk about what you are looking for in a
relationship.
A necessary component of every relationship is mutually wanting
one. It's putting the cart before the horse to start working out
the rules of your relationship before you've figured out if you
like each other enough to talk.
7.) Avoid sexual comments of any sort.
If I have to explain why, this "dating real people" thing is not
going to work for you. Go buy a prostitute. Seriously.
Conclusion
Treat women like people, with personalities. Yes, sex and dating is
a factor, but for the vast majority of people, it's not the first
factor. Do something to make yourself stand out and give her a
reason to want to talk to you personally. Take the time to observe
her (hint: READ HER PROFILE) and actually discover if you have good
reason to believe you'll get along: you will write far less emails,
but you will get far more responses from those you do write
to.
If you want a whore, buy a whore. This is how to talk to
people.
Good luck.
Author's Note: If you like and/or agree with this post, please feelfree to repost it anywhere! It applies to all internetdating/social networking and it can't hurt to spread good advice,right?
How To Write To Women On Okcupid
by TC
Let us begin by stating one thing: by "women" I am not includingbimbos, trixies, webcam whores, and people with an IQ of less than3 digits. Yes, there are some females out there who will fuck youno matter what an idiot you are. Even more will string you alongand take your money. We're talking about women WORTHapproaching.
That being said, there are several basic principles on how to writeto women AND get them to write back.
1.) Read my profile, and write a letter to me PERSONALLY, fromscratch.
No form letters. We can tell. It's insulting. We won't bite.
example: "Hey my name is Matt 25m livin in lakeview. 5'10 168 lbsbrown hair blue eyes. I think I'm a pretty fun guy, I like to goout, have a few drinks, hang out party. I like sports, baseballhiking outdoors stuff like that LOL the one downside just to behonest i do smoke sorry if that bothers u anyway if you'd like tohang out sometime let me know."
First of all, you don't need to tell me your weight. It's amazinghow many guys do this. What do you think I'm going to say? "Oh, Ionly date MIDDLEWEIGHTS. It's a good thing you let me know you're alight heavy ahead of time." I don't need to know anything aboutyour physical appearance, actually - did you know your photo popsup by the side when I open your email? In fact, not repeating thegeneralized, key-word ridden summary of your profile is a reallysolid tactic. If I wanted to know that, I could click throughmyself. The above email is effectively a spam broadcasting of yourprofile. Try to say something different, maybe personal? If you'dread my profile, you would know I specically don't care for"baseball, hiking, outdoor stuff LOL." Reciting them again justserves to prove that you couldn't even be bothered to read myprofile. It makes me think you're not a real person, but a spambot. Do you think every close-up picture of an ass that friends youon myspace REALLY wants to be your literal, actual friend?
Better example:
"I noticed you really like Heinlein... what's your favourite bookof his?"
It doesn't have to be some giant essay. I understand that when somany emails recieve no reply, it seems a waste of time to composelengthy, thoughtful letters. Don't. Overly lengthy letters can seemcreepy and stalkerish at first, anyway. Just pick one personaltrait or interest and make a specific comment, followed by aspecific question to encourage reply.
2.) Say something ORIGINAL.
example:
"Hey how r u. u sound like a fun gal. well ne ways i'd like to getto know u so if youd like to know more about me or chat sometimehit me back.
peace"
Notice something: you don't sound like a fun guy. I don't want toknow more about you.
You sound like a faceless, mindless, unidentifiable zombie droning"msg me... msg me..." I might as well make friends with theautomated phone menu machine. Try to think of something specificthat I would enjoy about you and suggest it.
better example: "I've always wanted to learn tango. Do you swing?I'll teach you to swing if you'll teach me to tango."
ps: though it is excellent strategy to cultivate a hobby, such associal dancing, that a majority of girls will be eager to try withyou, if you don't have any such catch-all party trick prepared,never fear. Search my profile for ANY interest we may have incommon and suggest we do that. Failing that, suggest we dosomething goofy, non-sexual, fun and kind of ridiculous likebuilding a pillow fort. If we have no common interests and can'thave fun doing nothing in particular either, this is clearly notmeant to be and you should move on without wasting your time.
3.) Don't compliment me.
Not on the first letter. Just don't. It sounds like senselessflattery, an overt, "Nice shoes, wanna fuck?"
example: "WOW baby u r so hot just WOW."
Don't tell me I'm hot, cute, pretty, amazing, awesome, fun, sexy,interesting, or any generic positive trait to be sought in a mate.I know you want to date and/or fuck me. Why the hell else are youwriting me on OKcupid? You have plenty of time to compliment melater, when you have given me a reason to care what you think. Mostwomen can't be bought straight off the bat with senseless flattery.Those who do hoard compliments from any and every stranger are soinsecure and neurotic you won't want to deal with it when theirfragile ego explodes in a rush of jealous neediness after you DOfuck them.
example 2: "I must say, you are a fascinating and intelligentwoman. I would love to get to know you."
Even proper grammar can't save this one. It's still "nice shoes,wanna fuck?" dressed up. If you are smart enough to write incomplete sentences, try putting some worthwhile content into thosesentences.
better example: "What kind of gaming are you into? I just bought anew Myst-type and was looking for some people to crack into itwith."
Notice he avoided urge to say "That's so awesome that you're intogaming!" Just try to talk about something, anything, withoutactually blathering about how great it makes her.
4.) If it's not working, drop it.
Annoying her more is not going to make her like you. The moment youthink it's not going somewhere, just drop it. Drop it early, dropit preemptively. I'm not saying be rude or give some ridiculous "Ithink we should stop talking," speech. Prolonging conversation bydiscussion how it should be over is ludicrous. Don't talk about howyou should shut up, just shut up. You won't lose anything by beingreticent. If she did like you, she'll send the next im.
5.) Use whole words.
This is not a phone. You will not be charged if you go over 160characters.
6.) Don't talk about what you are looking for in arelationship.
A necessary component of every relationship is mutually wantingone. It's putting the cart before the horse to start working outthe rules of your relationship before you've figured out if youlike each other enough to talk.
7.) Avoid sexual comments of any sort.
If I have to explain why, this "dating real people" thing is notgoing to work for you. Go buy a prostitute. Seriously.
Conclusion
Treat women like people, with personalities. Yes, sex and dating isa factor, but for the vast majority of people, it's not the firstfactor. Do something to make yourself stand out and give her areason to want to talk to you personally. Take the time to observeher (hint: READ HER PROFILE) and actually discover if you have goodreason to believe you'll get along: you will write far less emails,but you will get far more responses from those you do writeto.
If you want a whore, buy a whore. This is how to talk topeople.
Good luck.
How To Write To Women On OkCupid
I am pretty amazed at how many people completely ignore profiles on here. I mean there's very little else with which to work so you'd think "read the profile" would be the absolute minimum.
sharper00 commented on
Don't tell me I'm hot, cute, pretty, amazing, awesome, fun, sexy, interesting, or any generic positive trait to be sought in a mate. I know you want to date and/or fuck me. I love that one. Have never thought about it, but I don't usually reply to people who tell me I'm hot, fun or sexy. So either there's something else wrong with their emails or it's a subconscious defence mechanism ;)
tiggerwoman commented on
Oh man. I wonder what the atmosphere up there is like.
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Shonsu commented on
*stands* *applauds*
This post should be standard reading on OKC
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I know you're tired of getting those emails, but I look at it as the first line of deFence. I get one of those types of emails and I don't even have to respond.
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ccwpmarcus commented on
Well thought-out, and without the acrimonious edge that so many of these lists tend to take on. This one actually does come across (to me, at least) as a sincere attempt at educating the guy who wants to break the ice, but lacks the confidence (or social skills) to do it effectively, or else is so indoctrinated in the S.O.P. of dating site canvassing that he's not sure how else to do it (kind of like a telemarketer who only knows how to deal with situations laid out in the script they were trained from...)
Faceman329 commented on
Grrrrrrr...y'know, I'm really starting to gain an appreciation for hard-wired keyboards...
That should be 'willing to BET...'
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One of the compliments that I REALLY hate though are the one's where it's like the other party wants you to respond in kind. It's like they expect the conversation to go like this: "Ur hot." "Thanks, so r u." And honestly, I don't give compliments like that, even if I think someone IS hot. It's just not my style I guess. So I've just started saying "Thanks." I don't really know what else to say. LOL
The rest of the list is dead on. And we can't stress enough "READ THE PROFILE." I actually had a guy tell me that he doesn't really read profiles, because then we'd have nothing to talk about. My response - "Hmm, and I thought I spent a lot of thought and effort writing it to give people an introduction to who I am and be a springboard for discussion topics. Also, if I am ONLY the sum total of what's in my profile (long though it may be), then, damn, I am sad and pathetic."
I also agree with some of the guys though. I think people should be a bit more considerate in responding to an e-mail, especially if it looks like someone put a lot of thought into it. Of course, I haven't received many thoughtful e-mail. Most are of the "hey let's hook up" variety. But I try to respond to most of those, even if all I say is "Thank you for the interest. I'm not interested."
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This is one of those things that sounds nice, but simply isn't true. People are incredibly shallow, both men and women. People need to just admit it and stop being hypocrites.
Those suggestions are pretty much every letter I've ever written on a personals/dating site. And my response rate? Probably 20% on other sites, 0% here.
The truth is, people get judged first and foremost by their looks, their personality, and how much money they make. And that's just to even get your email even read in the first place. If you're good looking or rich, you can be the biggest jerk, most offensive, or annoying person in the world in your email, and you'll probably still get a reply.
If it were just mindless platitudes, I wouldn't mind. But the danger with stuff like this is you are giving people false hope. You're going to have a lot people spending a lot of time working on a message fitting your guidelines, thinking 'Finally, maybe I'll get a reply', only to get crushed when once again, they get no response or rejected.
The honest truth is, if you aren't good looking or self confident or rich, and are a guy, you're just not going to get many replies, period. Doesn't matter one bit what you write. Just like if you are a woman who is overweight, you're almost never going to get a response either.
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Great post Awibs...but we may have to put a time-out on your sisterhood membership for revealing how we filter. "-)
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"by "women" I am not including bimbos, trixies, webcam whores, and people with an IQ of less than 3 digits"
But they are women too, you elitist, classist, hollier-than-thou bitch!
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