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friendpolarbear

30 / M / Straight / Seeing someone

Edinburgh, United Kingdom

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Sep 5, 2012

In nearly seven years of OKCupiding (not counting previous time on SparkMatch), you would think I'd have figured out what I'm doing by now.

I have had three relationships from the site, and good ones at that, but of those three, one messaged me first, one messaged me after I commented on her journal, and one I messaged after a significant amount of talking on the forums.

Success rate of 'cold' messages: 0%

It's not exactly hard to see why: there is a lot, I am aware, of accumulated stuff about what messages should not be. That doesn't get on well with my innate tendency to overthink things. It's hard not to write a message that seems stilted and artificial when your mind is on trying not to make it crap. And then it is crap anyway, so it's self-defeating.

But recently, I've got a bit better at it. And the thing is, I haven't changed my message 'strategy' or anything like that. I've just (hah, 'just') changed my attitude. And my change in attitude goes something like this: It doesn't matter. I figure a girl's going to reply to my messages if she wants to. If she doesn't want to, then what do I care? I don't know about you, but I am here to meet people who would respond to me. That's a pretty important quality in all my relations, whether romantic or social. So why should I go out of my way trying to convince - or even trick - people who don't possess that quality into talking to me? It's absurd, right?

It's not about the message so much. You should still adhere to basic message-writing principles: Mostly don't be creepy, and make your message easy to reply to (and oh, I could write a whole other post about that latter point, and probably will). But the message is the easy part. If your recipient is interested, they will respond (and if they aren't interested, maybe you messaged the wrong person, but that's ok). The hard part is not being a socially maladjusted, unlikeable loser, but if you need help with that, you need more help than I am willing or able to give.

So I don't know how qualified I am to dispense advice given the lack of success I outlined above, but I'm going to anyway. The key to good message writing is to stop caring so much. I know the one-word messages and demands to see tits everyone complains about display a staggering lack of thought, but the answer really isn't to put a lot of thought into it. As the cliché goes, just be yourself. Given its cliché status, that is, by definition, not new advice, and now you're yelling at your screen, "What the hell, fpb? Did I read through this just for that?!" You might also be throwing stuff. And you have anger issues. Calm down. But the real advice is to always keep in mind that the people who don't respond to you being yourself are the wrong people. People will tell you to keep that in mind when you don't get replies, so you won't get disheartened. But you should also keep it in mind when writing messages, because it will make your messages to the right people better.

In nearly seven years of OKCupiding (not counting previous timeon SparkMatch), you would think I'd have figured out what I'm doingby now.

I have had three relationships from the site, and good ones atthat, but of those three, one messaged me first, one messaged meafter I commented on her journal, and one I messaged after asignificant amount of talking on the forums.

Success rate of 'cold' messages: 0%

It's not exactly hard to see why: there is a lot, I am aware, ofaccumulated stuff about what messages should not be. Thatdoesn't get on well with my innate tendency to overthink things.It's hard not to write a message that seems stilted and artificialwhen your mind is on trying not to make it crap. And then it iscrap anyway, so it's self-defeating.

But recently, I've got a bit better at it. And the thing is, Ihaven't changed my message 'strategy' or anything like that. I'vejust (hah, 'just') changed my attitude. And my change in attitudegoes something like this: It doesn't matter. I figure agirl's going to reply to my messages if she wants to. If shedoesn't want to, then what do I care? I don't know about you, but Iam here to meet people who would respond to me. That's a prettyimportant quality in all my relations, whether romantic or social.So why should I go out of my way trying to convince - or even trick- people who don't possess that quality into talking to me? It'sabsurd, right?

It's not about the message so much. You should still adhere tobasic message-writing principles: Mostly don't be creepy, and makeyour message easy to reply to (and oh, I could write a whole otherpost about that latter point, and probably will). But the messageis the easy part. If your recipient is interested, they willrespond (and if they aren't interested, maybe you messaged thewrong person, but that's ok). The hard part is not being a sociallymaladjusted, unlikeable loser, but if you need help with that, youneed more help than I am willing or able to give.

So I don't know how qualified I am to dispense advice given thelack of success I outlined above, but I'm going to anyway. The keyto good message writing is to stop caring so much. I knowthe one-word messages and demands to see tits everyone complainsabout display a staggering lack of thought, but the answer reallyisn't to put a lot of thought into it. As the cliché goes,just be yourself. Given its cliché status, that is, by definition,not new advice, and now you're yelling at your screen, "What thehell, fpb? Did I read through this just for that?!" Youmight also be throwing stuff. And you have anger issues. Calm down.But the real advice is to always keep in mind that the people whodon't respond to you being yourself are the wrong people. Peoplewill tell you to keep that in mind when you don't get replies, soyou won't get disheartened. But you should also keep it in mindwhen writing messages, because it will make your messages to theright people better.

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An image of Sngnjzzztoo people who don't respond to you being yourself are the wrong people

Admittedly I have sent out few messages that haven't been responded to but I always keep that ^ thought in mind. I assume they went to my profile and decided that there wasn't anything there that would pique their interest. I should thank them for that ability because on the other side of the coin are those where we've corresponded after what seemed like a possible match after reading their profile and it soon became a complete disaster.

Cliche` away darling ... it works.

Sngnjzzztoo commented on Sep 5, 2012

An image of 8StringMelody Good attitude. Leave the ego out of it, let it become fun. And who doesn't like fun?

8StringMelody commented on Sep 5, 2012

An image of quietcowboy one messaged me first, one messaged me after I commented on her journal, and one I messaged after a significant amount of talking on the forums.

Sort been my experience also. My messages have lead to nothun.

quietcowboy commented on Sep 5, 2012

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Jzzzsngr: It definitely does suck to try and force things when there's nothing there. I mean the thing I said about making messages easy to respond to works for responses, too - I'd rather get fewer responses I want to respond to than more responses that just feel like hard work to respond to.

8StringMelody: I'm sure a lot of people don't like fun. If that weren't the case, people wouldn't have to set themselves apart by noting specifically that they like fun in their profile!

quietcowboy: The 'quiet' in your name raises a good point. I've always found it quite easy to talk to people, but very anxious about starting conversations (at least with strangers!) and I guess the point of this long post really is that you don't need to worry about it.

friendpolarbear commented on Sep 5, 2012