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ipsafictura

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Non-Monogamy Deal-Breakers

A conversation elsewhere has me thinking about my absolute deal-breakers when it comes to non-monogamous relationships. So, for fun, I thought I'd list them. Standard disclaimers apply, this is what works for me, not for everyone, my needs are not the same as yours, yadda yadda yadda.

I should also note, to stave off the inevitable questions, it stands to reason that anything I ask for in a relationship I will give back in kind, and anything I’m unwilling to accept, I wouldn’t ask another person to accept. My first law of all relationships is, “double standards are for their birds.”

1. Your SO refuses to meet me
Nope, sorry. If we're going to share, they have to be adult enough to be able to shake my hand, look me in the eye, and smile. If they're not comfortable enough with the arrangement to be presented with direct evidence that their partner is screwing someone else, there are deeper issues. DADT relationships are strictly verboten in my book.

2. You have non-safety related limits on sex acts.
I'm willing to agree to any kind of reasonable safer sex practices, but limiting positions, types of sex, etc as "reserved" for one partner is inorganic, annoying and impractical. I'm not down.

3. You want veto power anytime soon
My boyfriend has veto power. You’re unlikely to get it, but if you do, it’ll be because I say, “I’m cool with you having veto power.” If that happens, it won’t be until after our relationship has gotten pretty serious and passed its first aniversary.

4. You can’t do sleepovers
Spending the night together doesn’t have to happen right away or all the time, but I want it on the table. Waking up together is intimate and I want to be able to do that with any partner I have. I get that it’s logistically complicated if you cohabit, but it has to be a possibility.

5. Your OSO feels the need to assert their “primacy” over me
Obviously all relationships find their own level, your ten year partnership with your spouse or partner has enormous history and should come first in your heart. I have no objections to that, what I do object to is any sort of weird bullshit designed to “keep me in my place.” If your partner is that concerned with being the “alpha dog” it’s just not going to work out well.

6. You want to impose limits on my pre-existing relationships
Sorry, no, those relationships have been negotiated and are happy and healthy, putting restrictions on them is not an available option to you. If you're uncomfortable with something, feel free to tell me about it, but you don't get to make the rules for a game that was started before you showed up.

7. Your significant other really doesn't like me/tried to veto me
I don't want to be the sore spot in your relationship. Neutral is fine, positive is better, negative is right out.

8. You do not have clear lines of communication with your OSOs
If you're not able to keep them in the loop, you're not going to keep me in the loop. Also, relationships require good communication to be successful, I'm not of the 'share absolutely every little thought that crosses your mind' school, but information has to be flowing in order to keep the wheels greased.

9. You don't have clear, definite safer sex practices
I'll admit right here that I'm a moderate when it comes to safer sex. I believe in condoms, I believe in getting tested, dental dams and latex gloves seem excessive to me in most cases. However, if you do not have clear safer sex practices that you can define for me, that's a big red flag right there.

10. You or your OSO has any restriction that sounds seriously whackadoo
This is sort of a catch-all, but anyone who has seen the infamous platypus contract knows what I'm talking about. If you're getting incredibly weird or specific with your restrictions and rules, it's probably because you haven't gotten comfortable with the idea of polyamory, and you're seeking ways to protect yourself from feeling threatened. I can understand the instinct, but I don't think it's productive, so I'm not along for the ride.

Those are the top ten, I'm sure there are other much more specific deal-breakers that only come up once and a while, but those are all the biggies. Sound off, non-monogamous types, what are your deal-breakers?
A conversation elsewhere has me thinking about my absolutedeal-breakers when it comes to non-monogamous relationships. So,for fun, I thought I'd list them. Standard disclaimers apply, thisis what works for me, not for everyone, my needs are not the sameas yours, yadda yadda yadda.

I should also note, to stave off the inevitable questions, itstands to reason that anything I ask for in a relationship I willgive back in kind, and anything I’m unwilling to accept, I wouldn’task another person to accept. My first law of all relationships is,“double standards are for their birds.”

1. Your SO refuses to meet me
Nope, sorry. If we're going to share, they have to be adult enoughto be able to shake my hand, look me in the eye, and smile. Ifthey're not comfortable enough with the arrangement to be presentedwith direct evidence that their partner is screwing someone else,there are deeper issues. DADT relationships are strictly verbotenin my book.

2. You have non-safety related limits on sex acts.
I'm willing to agree to any kind of reasonable safer sex practices,but limiting positions, types of sex, etc as "reserved" for onepartner is inorganic, annoying and impractical. I'm not down.

3. You want veto power anytime soon
My boyfriend has veto power. You’re unlikely to get it, but if youdo, it’ll be because I say, “I’m cool with you having veto power.”If that happens, it won’t be until after our relationship hasgotten pretty serious and passed its first aniversary.

4. You can’t do sleepovers
Spending the night together doesn’t have to happen right away orall the time, but I want it on the table. Waking up together isintimate and I want to be able to do that with any partner I have.I get that it’s logistically complicated if you cohabit, but it hasto be a possibility.

5. Your OSO feels the need to assert their “primacy” over me
Obviously all relationships find their own level, your ten yearpartnership with your spouse or partner has enormous history andshould come first in your heart. I have no objections to that, whatI do object to is any sort of weird bullshit designed to “keep mein my place.” If your partner is that concerned with being the“alpha dog” it’s just not going to work out well.

6. You want to impose limits on my pre-existing relationships
Sorry, no, those relationships have been negotiated and are happyand healthy, putting restrictions on them is not an availableoption to you. If you're uncomfortable with something, feel free totell me about it, but you don't get to make the rules for a gamethat was started before you showed up.

7. Your significant other really doesn't like me/tried to vetome
I don't want to be the sore spot in your relationship. Neutral isfine, positive is better, negative is right out.

8. You do not have clear lines of communication with yourOSOs
If you're not able to keep them in the loop, you're not going tokeep me in the loop. Also, relationships require good communicationto be successful, I'm not of the 'share absolutely every littlethought that crosses your mind' school, but information has to beflowing in order to keep the wheels greased.

9. You don't have clear, definite safer sex practices
I'll admit right here that I'm a moderate when it comes to safersex. I believe in condoms, I believe in getting tested, dental damsand latex gloves seem excessive to me in most cases. However, ifyou do not have clear safer sex practices that you can define forme, that's a big red flag right there.

10. You or your OSO has any restriction that sounds seriouslywhackadoo
This is sort of a catch-all, but anyone who has seen the infamousplatypus contract knows what I'm talking about. If you're gettingincredibly weird or specific with your restrictions and rules, it'sprobably because you haven't gotten comfortable with the idea ofpolyamory, and you're seeking ways to protect yourself from feelingthreatened. I can understand the instinct, but I don't think it'sproductive, so I'm not along for the ride.

Those are the top ten, I'm sure there are other much more specificdeal-breakers that only come up once and a while, but those are allthe biggies. Sound off, non-monogamous types, what are yourdeal-breakers?
Non-Monogamy Deal-Breakers
An image of vafiles I like this list and would say many of them are guidelines I use too.

I wouldn't call this a dealbreaker at the moment but I'm thinking about it: I am hesitant about starting a relationship with someone who is not already in another one already, unless I am convinced they are a fiercely emotionally and time-independent person. Otherwise, there is an emotional and sometimes logistical imbalance that is difficult to navigate. I don't feel very expert with that right now, and I'm concerned about doing it poorly and hurting someone inadvertently.

vafiles commented on

An image of elliecation Wow - I'm kind of just now getting into non-monogamy or at least dipping my toes in. This is pretty useful, actually. Thanks.

elliecation commented on

An image of ipsafictura You're very welcome, elliecation! I'm happy to be useful as well as demanding and picky. Tell me, as a new person to the idea, what are some things you wish someone would/had explained to you?

ipsafictura commented on

An image of Strngvoice excellent list. If I was going to write down my list when I was dealing with this stuff it would have looked alot like that. I experienced the weird sex restriction and it just didn't work for me and it was definitely a sign that the OSO was not comfortable.

Strngvoice commented on

An image of blueeyedpisces This is great! Ive only been doing the poly thing for about 4 mos now, and this is the most targeted and specific list of rules Ive seen yet. Really refreshing. And your communication skills are impressive. Ok if I glam onto these myself?

blueeyedpisces commented on

An image of ipsafictura vafiles: That's a good one. I didn't include that, because it would vary based on my other relationships. At the moment, with two active relationships, a third would have to be with someone who was either very busy (grad student, or whatever) or had other relationships. However, my boyfriend isn't currently seeing anyone else, and that doesn't cause us problem because he's one of only two in my life. Compatible schedule things are very important, but I wouldn't count them as deal-breakers so much as things that need to be considered. There's also, of course, a whole host of non-poly related considerations and deal-breakers to keep in mind as well.

ipsafictura commented on

An image of elliecation ipsafictura: Well, first of all, my best friend and her husband have been poly for six months - and it was something I actually encouraged, because in growing up with a philandering father I came to realize that maybe monogamy is not natural.

I think it is useful to be reminded not to freak out or set rules for other people in the relationship. Boundaries certainly must be discussed, but if you're going into this with all your gusto, it's going to be hurt to be held back. Seriously, I'm very new to this. We're talking like less than a week and I don't even quite consider myself poly yet because I'm not really in a relationship. i haven't even been poly-laid yet. So maybe I'll get back to you someday.

elliecation commented on

An image of ipsafictura blueeyedpisces: Feel free to copy and redistribute as you please, credit is always nice but you can use them however you'd like.<br /> Strngvoice: People find so many ways to say "I'm not comfortable" when they can't directly admit that they're not comfortable, the weird sex restrictions thing is totally one of them.

ipsafictura commented on

An image of ipsafictura elliecation: Best of luck to you with that! I can hardly qualify myself as any kind of expert, just someone who is poly and happy, but if I can answer any questions for you, feel free to drop me a line.

ipsafictura commented on

An image of wbdfibhr I haven't encountered #2, but depending on the act in question, I think I could probably live with it. Otherwise... yeah, me too.

A corollary to #5: You feel the need to assert the "equality" of our weeks-young relationship and your existing multi-year life partnership. Forcing things to conform to a non-hierarchical structure is just as damaging as stupid wolf pack games.

Final dealbreaker: You let drama from one relationship bleed into another. I don't mind talking about problems with your OSOs and providing emotional support, or seeing you less often for a while because someone else needs your attention, but canceling dates on short notice because your sweetie feels insecure is unacceptable.

wbdfibhr commented on

An image of sinisterbrain

Good list, so true.

Another deal-breaker (for me) is: You've been married and/or monogamous a long time, and only recently did you and your partner go "poly".

More times than not they are having marital issues that they are not dealing with, drama will ensue. Not saying this is true of everyone. Ever since someone pointed it out to me yes, I've noticed it's very true.

sinisterbrain commented on

An image of synchronaut Excellent list. I'll have to add #3; I've never encountered it, and it was off my radar that someone would want/demand veto before establishing a long-term relationship.

synchronaut commented on

An image of cjbrown13 Excellent list ipsafictura. My wife and I have been open (our word) since the beginning of our relationship and never really laid out a clear contract, just evolved our agreements as they came up. But everything you have put here seems to lie right in line with my beliefs about how to manage a poly or open life. I may do like blue-eyed and snake some of these for my own profile, if you don't mind...

cjbrown13 commented on

Default user image This is brilliant! Both the link to your top 10 deal breakers and how you wrote it. I would like to add this to my profile with the tag 'written by: ipsafictura', would this be ok with you? I will not add with out your permission. Thank you for the great idea, Tobi.

tlslive commented on

An image of BettyBaker I just ended up reading this, and, as uninteresting as it is to completely agree with someone --- I agree. Most def.

BettyBaker commented on

An image of KindEyes88 Thank you, this is super helpful! #2 and #9, shudder!!! :)

KindEyes88 commented on

An image of cryptsister I'm not the least bit poly, but for those who are, this list seems very sensible & well-thought out.

cryptsister commented on

An image of TeufelWolf Good list... Not just as dealbreaker, but also its a good guide line for couples as a lesson that sometimes rules can go to far.

TeufelWolf commented on

An image of LadyLilithDreams I have another couple to add:

1. Asking how many times you and your OSO are having sex, then demanding the same amount. It does not only have to be about sex.

2. Giving ultimatums.

LadyLilithDreams commented on