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nimzoin

23 / M / gay / Single

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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Loaded Questions?

A bit of a rant. But I like talking about methodology.

I'm a little disappointed with the Questions feature of the website. A lot of the questions I've been answering are very loaded! Look at this one (drawn from memory):

Is it ever right to strike a child so hard it leaves a red mark for several hours?
Yes
No

My problem with the question is with the subordinate clause "it leaves a red mark for several hours?". If the purpose of the question is to determine whether someone approves or disapproves of spanking as a punishment there will be a significant bias in the result. Instead of allowing for the opinion "There are occasions where spanking may be appropriate", a yes answer would logically indicate that any degree of strike from a pat on the behind to a full-forced slap would be acceptable. The result (I hope?) ? Everyone clicks no.

This "no" is equally valid to every other question on the subject of child raising. But its a false negative. Every time it gets asked it reduces the accuracy of the database of answers people have made to that subject. This means the system lables you a little less in favor of spanking even if you were more or less neutral on the subject.

I'll stop here for a second. It's unfortunate that the offending question happened to be about a politically touchy subject. It is not my intention to suggest that anyone would want to appear more in favour of spanking. What I'm talking about here is the disruption of data on a site that makes comparisons based on that data.

I don't like bias. I guess I just think things should be accurate. It's always seemed to me that heavily loaded sentences like that are often the product of laziness and ignorance. One of the reasons I love linguistics is the focus on methodology and theoretical frameworks involved in creating "information" and these kinds of loaded questions and statements occur way too often in our media.

I remember reading an article about "the linguistics of blame" where the researcher looked at bias against battered women in newspapers in England. They looked at newspaper headlines like "Sex-starved hubby strangles wife and "Blonde attacked in park".

Anyway, the point of the article was that by providing an excuse in sentences like the first one they were in a sense creating a "well she had it coming" feel to the statement. In the second sentence they call her "blonde" instead of "woman" or even not including her at all and using a headline like "attack in park". Since everyone *knows* blondes are more fun, there is the idea that the woman was too much temptation, or in some way sexually available to the attacker. Notice the passive construction? They don't even say anything about the attacker!

This isn't about violence against women (or anyone else, for that matter). It's about recognizing the importance of the words used when you say something. I hope anyone who reads this is a little more careful with their words in the future.
A bit of a rant. But I like talking about methodology.

I'm a little disappointed with the Questions feature of thewebsite. A lot of the questions I've been answering are veryloaded! Look at this one (drawn from memory):

Is it ever right to strike a child so hard it leaves a red mark forseveral hours?
Yes
No

My problem with the question is with the subordinate clause "itleaves a red mark for several hours?". If the purpose of thequestion is to determine whether someone approves or disapproves ofspanking as a punishment there will be a significant bias in theresult. Instead of allowing for the opinion "There are occasionswhere spanking may be appropriate", a yes answer would logicallyindicate that any degree of strike from a pat on the behind to afull-forced slap would be acceptable. The result (I hope?) ?Everyone clicks no.

This "no" is equally valid to every other question on the subjectof child raising. But its a false negative. Every time it getsasked it reduces the accuracy of the database of answers peoplehave made to that subject. This means the system lables you alittle less in favor of spanking even if you were more or lessneutral on the subject.

I'll stop here for a second. It's unfortunate that the offendingquestion happened to be about a politically touchy subject. It isnot my intention to suggest that anyone would want to appear morein favour of spanking. What I'm talking about here is thedisruption of data on a site that makes comparisons based on thatdata.

I don't like bias. I guess I just think things should be accurate.It's always seemed to me that heavily loaded sentences like thatare often the product of laziness and ignorance. One of the reasonsI love linguistics is the focus on methodology and theoreticalframeworks involved in creating "information" and these kinds ofloaded questions and statements occur way too often in ourmedia.

I remember reading an article about "the linguistics of blame"where the researcher looked at bias against battered women innewspapers in England. They looked at newspaper headlines like"Sex-starved hubby strangles wife and "Blonde attacked inpark".

Anyway, the point of the article was that by providing an excuse insentences like the first one they were in a sense creating a "wellshe had it coming" feel to the statement. In the second sentencethey call her "blonde" instead of "woman" or even not including herat all and using a headline like "attack in park". Since everyone*knows* blondes are more fun, there is the idea that the woman wastoo much temptation, or in some way sexually available to theattacker. Notice the passive construction? They don't even sayanything about the attacker!

This isn't about violence against women (or anyone else, for thatmatter). It's about recognizing the importance of the words usedwhen you say something. I hope anyone who reads this is a littlemore careful with their words in the future.
Loaded Questions?
An image of kyoto_phoenix I think you would like this book! http://www.amazon.com/Damned-Lies-Statistics-Untangling-Politicians/dp/0520219783/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240376588&sr=1-1. Skip the stupid questions, I see them all the time. great rant!

kyoto_phoenix commented on

An image of hesez Nobody has to be more careful with what they say than me.At my age you're scruitinized on every word.On the issue of kids and what I call discipline.A little history first.Years ago you'd get the "strap" in elementary school for punishment.I was quite imtament with it as a kid.I went to Parkwood Hills Public.Now what happened in the 80's was a principal left the school mic. on by accident while he was wipping some kid.It freaked the entire school out to hear this kid pleading and crying.That effectively ended that kind of punishment in schools in North America.Can't remember what school or where it was.In the Catholic school Board today,teachers are'nt even allowed to say anything negative about a student even at parent teacher interviews.How do parents find out that their kid has a discipline probem,they don't.There's never a happy medium it seems on any issue or question for that matter.I'll never get to that majical point where I get to submit a question of my own,too bad I've got some good ones.I agree with you that there is little thought put behind some questions but hay I think most are submitted by our contempories,not cupid.This is a one-time shot for me because I don't comment on journal posts from Ottawa.It's too close to home and I've already made an ass of myself there.I like to say,blame it on the new guy,and I was just learning my place.Maybe cupid will bump me up to 90% for making a comment on a local post haha.I doubt it....Dana

hesez commented on

Default user image There are so many bad questions (for a variety of different reasons) on OKC... probably more bad ones than good ones. It doesn't seem that it should be so tough to generate decent questions, but then again i haven't tried to write any.

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