Feb 25, 2013 7:24pm

and in keeping with his commitment never to benefit from taxation in any way, he has never used the internet.


Feb 26, 2013 2:54am

I'm paid in full.  Trust me.  Years of indentured servitude to the guvmint has given lots of folks freebies.  


Feb 26, 2013 3:01am

we disagree with your assessment of what you owe society - why on earth would i trust you when you say you're paid in full?

the truth is that you owe for all of those things and more, and you hate it.

what i love about these conversations is the schadenfreude which comes with reminding you of the extent to which you are dependent on the government. no matter what flimsy arguments you make, no matter the weak-ass justifications you pretend to believe, you know your quality of life would absolutely not be possible had the government not held your hand the entire way through.


Feb 26, 2013 3:14am

Ah, incorrect Pseudo.  I personally have made a determined effort to avoid any and all interaction with government and police types.  Actually, when travelling,  Interstates and federally funded areas are avoided for personal reasons.  I do find it entertaining that you and others feel that I am as indentured to the statist system as yourselves.  As we gleefully approach a potential guvmint shutdown ; I can only be optimistic that the taxpayer will once again see the massive grand theft that has occurred throughout current and past regimes.


Feb 28, 2013 10:10am

so you travel solely on roads you've laid yourself, using a vehicle you've built yourself and which uses automotive and energy technology which has never benefited in any way from the government?



Feb 28, 2013 11:01am

Actually, I prefer turnpikes.  Just like anything else ; let the users pay.   Ah, why is your authorization needed to determine what if anything I owe society?  Next, will you determine my fair share?  Thinking rather highly of your elitist self?


Feb 28, 2013 12:21pm

if you can travel solely by turnpikes which are not in any way subsidized, more power to you. you can't, though. sorry.

it takes authorization to determine what you owe, perhaps. 

to determine that you owe something takes merely logic.

no matter how loathe to admit it, you benefit from society. therefore, you owe.



Feb 28, 2013 3:55pm

And you are what ? The ultimate ombudsman?  Typical statist.


Feb 28, 2013 9:18pm

it doesn't take governmental authority, man. you take, you're indebted. that's just logic.

and as i've repeatedly mentioned and you've repeatedly tried to weasel away from admitting, you certainly do take.

the value of what you take isn't for me to determine - but whatever it is, it's greater than zero.


Mar 1, 2013 3:46am

Certainly, I take.  I give back as well.  I have made mention of my favorite charities before.  I'm not going to exploit that.  The mere nature of my business provides affordable housing to lower income folks.  My houses are well maintained and I have let a lot of folks "slide" for a long time.  Nuff said.  Through my business dealings, many underprivileged kids have gone to good schools.  One recently got a full ride to a prestigous AA university; giving credit to the High School he came from.  So, just because I despise government meddling and respect individual rights and responsibilites does not make me a social parasite.  


Mar 1, 2013 3:54am

is it enough?

i'm not the calculator in chief, but is it?

your business absolutely could not exist without the government, without the public. your clients need those roadways to reach you, they need their cars, they need that gas. they need someone keeping the air clean around their future homes, they need firemen keeping their neighborhoods safe, etc, or you wouldn't have a business.  

you couldn't get by without your consumer or business-grade-and-cost access to technologies the discovery of which were publicly funded.

basically, your self reliance is a delusion. you absolutely could not exist without the government and without the support of the nation.

does your business provide affordable housing to low income folks, or does it sell them housing?

you're not a slum lord. good for you.

but if you honestly and thoroughly consider all that you owe our society for the success you have, do you really think letting some people slide on rent is equivalent?

this is all you, now. i'm not telling you what something's worth or what it costs, i'm asking you to be thorough, introspective, and honest.




Mar 1, 2013 4:08am

I do land contracts and flip.  If need be I rent.  My properties are very well kept.  Renters love my houses.  Small and neat.  In the current market ; seriously, buyers approach me.  Being a slum lord is just bad business.  

Being a great believer in individual responsibilities.  I need to like myself.  And, I do.  I've treated people well.  Only one eviction.  As I leave the business, I sometime encounter past renters around town.  Only re-enforcing the good deals these people received.  The business world is too gestalt for an outsider to judge.  End of day:  Do you like the man in the mirror?


Mar 1, 2013 4:32am

sometimes. often, even.


most correct to say that i dislike him less than everyone else.

but i want to do more, i wish i could do more, i'm frustrated that i can't.

and i'm frustrated that so many who could, don't, and infuriated by their pathetic attempts to justify this inaction as a moral good.



Mar 1, 2013 4:40am

I choose to be non-judgemental.  I know you don't follow the Creator ; I respect that.  I do.  I answer to a supreme power.  Whatever you spin of that is ; fine.  That belief has kept me pretty honest and generous.   Whatever works.


Mar 1, 2013 4:54am

well. i tend to think negatively on that point - specifically to what you mention, that if religion is the only thing keeping you honest, it doesn't say good things about you. i don't need it to keep me honest.

on the other hand, honest is honest.

and there are plenty of people who've got religion which isn't keeping them anything of the sort.

so i may have a negative judgment of how your mind works due to your faith, much as i would someone who believed in homeopathy, astrology, crystal healing, reiki, chiropractic, etc.

but if it's any kind of faith at all, i'm sure you're equipped to deal with that. i've gone toe to toe with atheists in defense of the holy trinity on a number of occasions. as an atheist myself, mind you, but, you know, for fun.

but in the end, if my wife is kidnapped and you sacrifice yourself to save her, i don't care if you do it because it's simply noble or because you think god told you to through the mouth of your cow shaped coffee cream caddy.

it's what a man does that matters, in the end.

before the end, i reserve the right to judge you mercilessly, just as your creator would in the end judge me.



Mar 1, 2013 5:12am

Speaking of my late mother, she would consistently tell me what you just did in paragraph 1.  Sorry, I need guidance.   Years ago, I had a plumber stiff me for a few grand.  My faith is the one  issue that saved his life.  Oddly, my mother became a disbeliever one month before her mental demise.  


We see things very differently, Sir.  I've enjoyed communicating with you.  Too bad the political elites are unable to disarm themselves, as we have, for good conversation.  Good Day.


Mar 1, 2013 5:18am

when you take a side in an argument, you present yourself as a symbol of something larger.

in the end, you're not actually the person i want to kill and eat.

and even if you were, you might occasionally have decent things to say about things by virtue of having lived a life which statistically speaking must have some kind of similarity to my own.

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