May 11, 2009 6:44pm

Dr-Joe: So you had full gender reassignment surgery? Penis, testicles, scrotum, the whole nine yards? Also, how do you have such a hairy chest? is that all the testosterone you took/take?

May 11, 2009 6:45pm

Gmac I'm pretty sure no one claims transgendered for shits and giggles. It can't be a simple way to live and find love. Someone who has been a man for 8 years isn't going to post pre-op pics of himself as a woman just to prove something to you. I <3 the LGBT community and don't think Dr. Joe needs any more flaming than he probably already gets just for being himself. I've always been curious about it and I appreciate someone being open about it.

May 11, 2009 6:50pm

.....haha......he's got you all going...

May 11, 2009 6:50pm

Doc? Where you at?

May 11, 2009 6:50pm

Clackityclack, The level of testosterone in transmale bodies is the same as that found in non-transmale bodies. Secondary sex characteristics, like chest hair, is something that develops rather quickly upon transition, usually 8 months or so in for most guys. Because I am Italian and Jewish, my hair patterns are very similar to the men in my family of origin and they are all really hairy people. The bodies reaction to testosterone causes all types of changes to occur, most of which are desired, like facial/chest hair, a deepen of the voice, more muscle development, etc. Also, I have not had bottom surgery, although I did undergo top surgery in 2003 (in which my breasts were removed and a male chest constructed). Dr-Joe

May 11, 2009 6:53pm

Being gay, i've seen quite a few FTM transexuals and I must say, you are by far the most manly looking female to male transexual. It's almost hard to believe.

May 11, 2009 6:56pm

Speaking from a fag himself. "Almost hard to believe" I have a hard time believing it myself and hang out with a lot of LGBT people. But if it's true, great job maam.

May 11, 2009 6:57pm

Brand89, I think it's awesome that you've seen quite a few FTMs. Do you date them? It should be noted that many transmen also date men, as well, and identify as "gay." The reason I look "manly" is due mostly to my facial hair, which seems to make a difference when it comes to "passing." Some FTMs, who are fair haired for example, may have more trouble passing, then guys with darker features. Dr-Joe

May 11, 2009 6:59pm

Ive known lots of MTF but have never understood the mechanics behind a FTM. I wouldnt be opposed to dating someone, but I would definitely miss intercourse if I could have it. Manginas look pretty real...I mean, doctors can do some pretty legitimate stuff nowadays. HM. I am curious to see you nude. For...for science >.>

May 11, 2009 7:00pm

DancingJoe, It's great to see so many "gay" men one the site, as well. I've been part of the TLBG community for over 16 years. I came out and lived as a lesbian for 8 years before transitioning, and have a number of gay male friends. Dr-Joe

May 11, 2009 7:02pm

FYI: I am heading to bed folks. However, this thread has been fun. I look forward to catching up again tomorrow!

May 11, 2009 7:05pm

Protip: I also think you are sexy

May 11, 2009 7:16pm

Yeah, now I'm kind of curious about the logistics/mechanics of FTM. This would definitely include pre-transition pictures.

Dr-Joe is so much more manly than me. Of course, I guess that shouldn't threaten me so much since we've been men about the same amount of time (him actually being a man longer depending on your definition of the puberty boy->man transition).

May 12, 2009 2:36am

Sorry for the long post, but I want to give a testimonial. I have recently started dating a transman for the first time & have been sexual with him. Yes, yes, I have seen him naked and had sex with him. But we've also gone on dates and have had long phone conversations, just like normal dating people do.

One thing I've noticed about the transman I am dating and his trans friends is that they are generally more aware of what women want. They seem to be more compassionate and are really easy to talk to. The difference is subtle, because these men are certainly guys, but they seem to have a little more depth than biologically born straight men. Maybe it's because these men have lived on both sides of the fence.

I met some of my transman's friends recently and he had the awesomest girl and guy friends. They were aware, open minded, diverse, a mix of queer/trans/straight, and totally hot. You guys don't know this, but transmen look younger than biological born men, so if you like guys who look a little boyish, you might want to try trans.

As for the sex (and I know some of you want to know about that), I had some of the same worries as the straight women. I even thought I might not like having sex with a transman because I've never had sex with a person with a vagina. After I had sex, I had a "duh" moment and realized that sex with a transman is very much the same with any guys some kind of cool differences. I don't want to get graphic, but I will say penetration with my transman comes in many different sizes & is completely (if done right) guaranteed not to cause any disease of any kind, nor pregnancy. Completely safe penetration!!! Best invention ever.

Short answer on sex...Yeah, his dick is small, but I've never been a vanilla kind of girl who needs a guy humping away on top of me, so I really don't give a rats ass about that.

If any of you women or bi/gay men are curious about dating transmen, I suggest you look at a series of YouTube videos by the username Jaxluvsyou15. Search for her username or google You Tube and "dating a transman." She has posted several videos about her experiences dating transmen (her current hottie shows up on video a bit and is really attractive). When you listen to this incredibly sexy young woman talk about dating trans in a common sense way, I promise that you guys will be open-minded.


May 12, 2009 2:44am

"...I've noticed about the transman I am dating and his trans friends is that they are generally more aware of what women want."

that line is golden... it's because they are women... They will never produce sperm, so they don't meet the criteria for being men. When it comes to MtF it's the same... they'll never have a period, so they don't count as women.

I can wear a crown, and a dress and say I'm the queen of france, I may even convince some people I am, but I will never be the queen of france, unfortuntely.

May 12, 2009 2:56am

Beelzebub, why can't we have men, women, transmen, and transwomen. Why does there have to be two genders anyway?

May 12, 2009 3:20am

What is the point in having two genders? One creates sperm to fertilize the others eggs... it's biology. Transgenderism is just a way to try to fool yourself into believing you are supposed to be of the opposite sex... if you do go through with it, you cannot procreate, so you essentially are nothing now.... just damaged goods that cannot spread its genes. Why fool yourself into believing you're something you're not? Wouldn't it be more healthy, mentally, to come to terms with who you are instead of having surgeries to try to mask yourself? Not only that but more problems arise as this thread points out with finding a partner open to your decisions.

I just believe there are healthier ways of dealing with the issue than running from the problem. It's psychological, not biological. If we allow this, then why not help people who are depressed and feel their life were better ended to die? More ethics come into play in the debate of assisted suicide, but essentially it's just a long term solution to a problem that could have been worked out with some psychotherapy.

May 12, 2009 3:32am

Beelzebub: bzzzt, wrong. It's biological--there are brain structure similarities between born straight men, born gay men, and XX "females" who feel transgendered. Same with born women of all sexual preferences and XY "males" who feel like transgendered females. I hope eventually most of the world will think more like Caroline and less like you, eventually. There's never going to be any shortage of straight people having babies, after all, so why force people into something they, in many cases, literally can't live with? The suicide rate among pre-op transgenders who are denied the right to change is sky-high, regardless of therapy, drugs, whatever--you're telling me you think ALL those people are somehow magically resistant to anti-depressants and just have a psychological problem that's magically incurable because they're "running from the problem", unlike any other tendency towards suicide?

May 12, 2009 3:34am

I could never date a guy who was made in to a woman.

May 12, 2009 3:38am

Despite how many might construe what I said previously about supporting the right of people who are transgendered to corrective surgery, I also support Hemfros' choice to not want to deal with that despite his somewhat odd choice of threads to say it in. I'm entirely the opposite--I have a serious curiousity about the procedure and I wouldn't mind hooking up with a post-op MtF transgendered person just for the fun of it.

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